British Politics

[UFGN]

Why is it that the best places to live in the world, with the lowest crime, tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom? Funny that.

Certainly nothing to do with socialism .... why do you just make stuff up?

In any 'top 20 countries to live in' survey - pick any major survey - I used http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-countries-to-live-in/

NOT A SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE TOP TWENTY HAS A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT

In fact nearly all have centre right governments and run capitalist trickle-down economies - but hey since when have those pesky facts mattered to you?

HARDLY ANYWHERE HAS A GENUINELY SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT, but the places which are best to live in tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom

Bit since when has anything other then your sad oneupmanship mattered to you?

[LMAO]

Also America has a higher HDI than Britain. We're not such a bad country after all, despite what the news would have you believe Take that, you tea-sipping jabronis

[jayramfootball]

Why is it that the best places to live in the world, with the lowest crime, tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom? Funny that.

Certainly nothing to do with socialism .... why do you just make stuff up?

In any 'top 20 countries to live in' survey - pick any major survey - I used http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-countries-to-live-in/

NOT A SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE TOP TWENTY HAS A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT

In fact nearly all have centre right governments and run capitalist trickle-down economies - but hey since when have those pesky facts mattered to you?

HARDLY ANYWHERE HAS A GENUINELY SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT, but the places which are best to live in tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom

Bit since when has anything other then your sad oneupmanship mattered to you?

Be careful when you talk about 'more equal'.
The common thing about ANY system is that at the top their is a wealthy elite.
The difference between socialism and capitalism is that with socialism the middle class gets reduced. It's THEY who pay for the free stuff of those on the lower end of the income scale. The elites just crack on with getting richer.

Socialists tend to be people who are jealous of their neighbours or better off areas of their community. They rarely ever have a focus on the elite apart from headlines in the media to sell their wealth distribution fom the middle class to the less well off. Then when the middle class is decimated, everyone is poor and the jealous little socialists can be happy their neighbour doesn't have more than them and they can starve and worry about paying their bills together. Meanwhile the elite get richer - as always.

[UFGN]

Why is it that the best places to live in the world, with the lowest crime, tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom? Funny that.

Certainly nothing to do with socialism .... why do you just make stuff up?

In any 'top 20 countries to live in' survey - pick any major survey - I used http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-countries-to-live-in/

NOT A SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE TOP TWENTY HAS A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT

In fact nearly all have centre right governments and run capitalist trickle-down economies - but hey since when have those pesky facts mattered to you?

HARDLY ANYWHERE HAS A GENUINELY SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT, but the places which are best to live in tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom

Bit since when has anything other then your sad oneupmanship mattered to you?

Be careful when you talk about 'more equal'.
The common thing about ANY system is that at the top their is a wealthy elite.
The difference between socialism and capitalism is that with socialism the middle class gets reduced. It's THEY who pay for the free stuff of those on the lower end of the income scale. The elites just crack on with getting richer.

Socialists tend to be people who are jealous of their neighbours or better off areas of their community. They rarely ever have a focus on the elite apart from headlines in the media to sell their wealth distribution fom the middle class to the less well off. Then when the middle class is decimated, everyone is poor and the jealous little socialists can be happy their neighbour doesn't have more than them and they can starve and worry about paying their bills together. Meanwhile the elite get richer - as always.

Ive rarely in my life read a bigger pile of shit. And ive read quite a few of your posts so thats saying something

The idea that socialiats are by nature jealous people is a real brain injury moment. Socialism is about fairness and wanting everyone, not just yourself, and not just your family, to do well.

Look at an example of socialism in action today; trade unionism

People working within an industry, of various means, on various salaries, pay membership fees according to their wage level. That money is used to represent everybody's interests in many different ways

Collective bargaining which helps every worker to negotiate a fair wage

A Credit Union for everyone to use when they need it

A benevolent fund for injured colleges and death in service payments to families of colleges

Health and Safety representation to make sure everyone is safe

Legal representation inside and outside of work for whoever needs it, regardless of their salary

......within this Union you could have staff earning £10,000 and staff earning £80,000, plus retired staff

[jayramfootball]

Why is it that the best places to live in the world, with the lowest crime, tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom? Funny that.

Certainly nothing to do with socialism .... why do you just make stuff up?

In any 'top 20 countries to live in' survey - pick any major survey - I used http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-countries-to-live-in/

NOT A SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE TOP TWENTY HAS A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT

In fact nearly all have centre right governments and run capitalist trickle-down economies - but hey since when have those pesky facts mattered to you?

HARDLY ANYWHERE HAS A GENUINELY SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT, but the places which are best to live in tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom

Bit since when has anything other then your sad oneupmanship mattered to you?

Be careful when you talk about 'more equal'.
The common thing about ANY system is that at the top their is a wealthy elite.
The difference between socialism and capitalism is that with socialism the middle class gets reduced. It's THEY who pay for the free stuff of those on the lower end of the income scale. The elites just crack on with getting richer.

Socialists tend to be people who are jealous of their neighbours or better off areas of their community. They rarely ever have a focus on the elite apart from headlines in the media to sell their wealth distribution fom the middle class to the less well off. Then when the middle class is decimated, everyone is poor and the jealous little socialists can be happy their neighbour doesn't have more than them and they can starve and worry about paying their bills together. Meanwhile the elite get richer - as always.

Ive rarely in my life read a bigger pile of shit. And ive read quite a few of your posts so thats saying something

The idea that socialiats are by nature jealous people is a real brain injury moment. Socialism is about fairness and wanting everyone, not just yourself, and not just your family, to do well.

Look at an example of socialism in action today; trade unionism

People working within an industry, of various means, on various salaries, pay membership fees according to their wage level. That money is used to represent everybody's interests in many different ways

Collective bargaining which helps every worker to negotiate a fair wage

A Credit Union for everyone to use when they need it

A benevolent fund for injured colleges and death in service payments to families of colleges

Health and Safety representation to make sure everyone is safe

Legal representation inside and outside of work for whoever needs it, regardless of their salary

......within this Union you could have staff earning £10,000 and staff earning £80,000, plus retired staff

The truth always hits a nerve and hurts those that like to virtue signal about the greater good.
Give me stuff and have someone who's got more than me pay for it I'll pretend it has to do with equality and is righteous in order to make myself feel better. Ah socialism.
Socialism zealots always talk shit and pretend their failed system actually works.

[UFGN]

Why is it that the best places to live in the world, with the lowest crime, tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom? Funny that.

Certainly nothing to do with socialism .... why do you just make stuff up?

In any 'top 20 countries to live in' survey - pick any major survey - I used http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-countries-to-live-in/

NOT A SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE TOP TWENTY HAS A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT

In fact nearly all have centre right governments and run capitalist trickle-down economies - but hey since when have those pesky facts mattered to you?

HARDLY ANYWHERE HAS A GENUINELY SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT, but the places which are best to live in tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom

Bit since when has anything other then your sad oneupmanship mattered to you?

Be careful when you talk about 'more equal'.
The common thing about ANY system is that at the top their is a wealthy elite.
The difference between socialism and capitalism is that with socialism the middle class gets reduced. It's THEY who pay for the free stuff of those on the lower end of the income scale. The elites just crack on with getting richer.

Socialists tend to be people who are jealous of their neighbours or better off areas of their community. They rarely ever have a focus on the elite apart from headlines in the media to sell their wealth distribution fom the middle class to the less well off. Then when the middle class is decimated, everyone is poor and the jealous little socialists can be happy their neighbour doesn't have more than them and they can starve and worry about paying their bills together. Meanwhile the elite get richer - as always.

Ive rarely in my life read a bigger pile of shit. And ive read quite a few of your posts so thats saying something

The idea that socialiats are by nature jealous people is a real brain injury moment. Socialism is about fairness and wanting everyone, not just yourself, and not just your family, to do well.

Look at an example of socialism in action today; trade unionism

People working within an industry, of various means, on various salaries, pay membership fees according to their wage level. That money is used to represent everybody's interests in many different ways

Collective bargaining which helps every worker to negotiate a fair wage

A Credit Union for everyone to use when they need it

A benevolent fund for injured colleges and death in service payments to families of colleges

Health and Safety representation to make sure everyone is safe

Legal representation inside and outside of work for whoever needs it, regardless of their salary

......within this Union you could have staff earning £10,000 and staff earning £80,000, plus retired staff

The truth always hits a nerve and hurts those that like to virtue signal about the greater good.
Give me stuff and have someone who's got more than me pay for it I'll pretend it has to do with equality and is righteous in order to make myself feel better. Ah socialism.
Socialism zealots always talk shit and pretend their failed system actually works.

So if in a socialist system, my contributions pay for someone else's needs, that would be me virtue signalling

But if someone pays for my needs thats, I dunno, scrounging or whatever goes on in your head?

Okey dokie

I used to laugh at your football posts, if id have known you were a special kinda guy id have been more generous

[jayramfootball]

Why is it that the best places to live in the world, with the lowest crime, tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom? Funny that.

Certainly nothing to do with socialism .... why do you just make stuff up?

In any 'top 20 countries to live in' survey - pick any major survey - I used http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-countries-to-live-in/

NOT A SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE TOP TWENTY HAS A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT

In fact nearly all have centre right governments and run capitalist trickle-down economies - but hey since when have those pesky facts mattered to you?

HARDLY ANYWHERE HAS A GENUINELY SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT, but the places which are best to live in tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom

Bit since when has anything other then your sad oneupmanship mattered to you?

Be careful when you talk about 'more equal'.
The common thing about ANY system is that at the top their is a wealthy elite.
The difference between socialism and capitalism is that with socialism the middle class gets reduced. It's THEY who pay for the free stuff of those on the lower end of the income scale. The elites just crack on with getting richer.

Socialists tend to be people who are jealous of their neighbours or better off areas of their community. They rarely ever have a focus on the elite apart from headlines in the media to sell their wealth distribution fom the middle class to the less well off. Then when the middle class is decimated, everyone is poor and the jealous little socialists can be happy their neighbour doesn't have more than them and they can starve and worry about paying their bills together. Meanwhile the elite get richer - as always.

Ive rarely in my life read a bigger pile of shit. And ive read quite a few of your posts so thats saying something

The idea that socialiats are by nature jealous people is a real brain injury moment. Socialism is about fairness and wanting everyone, not just yourself, and not just your family, to do well.

Look at an example of socialism in action today; trade unionism

People working within an industry, of various means, on various salaries, pay membership fees according to their wage level. That money is used to represent everybody's interests in many different ways

Collective bargaining which helps every worker to negotiate a fair wage

A Credit Union for everyone to use when they need it

A benevolent fund for injured colleges and death in service payments to families of colleges

Health and Safety representation to make sure everyone is safe

Legal representation inside and outside of work for whoever needs it, regardless of their salary

......within this Union you could have staff earning £10,000 and staff earning £80,000, plus retired staff

The truth always hits a nerve and hurts those that like to virtue signal about the greater good.
Give me stuff and have someone who's got more than me pay for it I'll pretend it has to do with equality and is righteous in order to make myself feel better. Ah socialism.
Socialism zealots always talk shit and pretend their failed system actually works.

So if in a socialist system, my contributions pay for someone else's needs, that would be me virtue signalling

But if someone pays for my needs thats, I dunno, scrounging or whatever goes on in your head?

Okey dokie

I used to laugh at your football posts, if id have known you were a special kinda guy id have been more generous

There's that nerve again.
Deep breaths. No need to get personal.
I just think the system you advocate sucks and is driven by jealousy, which is the only reason it garners support.
Get over it.
Besides, after the upcoming election we put socialism to bed again for a while.

[UFGN]

Why is it that the best places to live in the world, with the lowest crime, tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom? Funny that.

Certainly nothing to do with socialism .... why do you just make stuff up?

In any 'top 20 countries to live in' survey - pick any major survey - I used http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-countries-to-live-in/

NOT A SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE TOP TWENTY HAS A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT

In fact nearly all have centre right governments and run capitalist trickle-down economies - but hey since when have those pesky facts mattered to you?

HARDLY ANYWHERE HAS A GENUINELY SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT, but the places which are best to live in tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom

Bit since when has anything other then your sad oneupmanship mattered to you?

Be careful when you talk about 'more equal'.
The common thing about ANY system is that at the top their is a wealthy elite.
The difference between socialism and capitalism is that with socialism the middle class gets reduced. It's THEY who pay for the free stuff of those on the lower end of the income scale. The elites just crack on with getting richer.

Socialists tend to be people who are jealous of their neighbours or better off areas of their community. They rarely ever have a focus on the elite apart from headlines in the media to sell their wealth distribution fom the middle class to the less well off. Then when the middle class is decimated, everyone is poor and the jealous little socialists can be happy their neighbour doesn't have more than them and they can starve and worry about paying their bills together. Meanwhile the elite get richer - as always.

Ive rarely in my life read a bigger pile of shit. And ive read quite a few of your posts so thats saying something

The idea that socialiats are by nature jealous people is a real brain injury moment. Socialism is about fairness and wanting everyone, not just yourself, and not just your family, to do well.

Look at an example of socialism in action today; trade unionism

People working within an industry, of various means, on various salaries, pay membership fees according to their wage level. That money is used to represent everybody's interests in many different ways

Collective bargaining which helps every worker to negotiate a fair wage

A Credit Union for everyone to use when they need it

A benevolent fund for injured colleges and death in service payments to families of colleges

Health and Safety representation to make sure everyone is safe

Legal representation inside and outside of work for whoever needs it, regardless of their salary

......within this Union you could have staff earning £10,000 and staff earning £80,000, plus retired staff

The truth always hits a nerve and hurts those that like to virtue signal about the greater good.
Give me stuff and have someone who's got more than me pay for it I'll pretend it has to do with equality and is righteous in order to make myself feel better. Ah socialism.
Socialism zealots always talk shit and pretend their failed system actually works.

So if in a socialist system, my contributions pay for someone else's needs, that would be me virtue signalling

But if someone pays for my needs thats, I dunno, scrounging or whatever goes on in your head?

Okey dokie

I used to laugh at your football posts, if id have known you were a special kinda guy id have been more generous

There's that nerve again.
Deep breaths. No need to get personal.
I just think the system you advocate sucks and is driven by jealousy, which is the only reason it garners support.
Get over it.
Besides, after the upcoming election we put socialism to bed again for a while.

When you chat absolute muppetry you will never, ever get a civil response from me

If you want to disagree thats fine. If you come out with "socialists are just jealous waaaaaaa", then youre a fool and should expect an appropriately abrupt respose

[EliteKiller]

You can't debate with fanatics, despite historical evidence going back centuries that the "mythical" socialist experiment doesn't work ... you still get the deluded and under 30's believing that it does ...

There is no such thing as free money ... if you take from the rich to feed the poor all you end up with is all poor .... you can tell UFGN the truth, show him the evidence, repeat that process over and over ... he won't listen, you're just wasting your breath

After a while when UFGN realises he has lost the argument he will just resort to abuse ... seems you've now struck that nerve .....

[DiamondGooner]

I'm actually glad I'm not voting.

The bloody state of it.

I feel I'll vote next election though, because the fall out from this one will lay all the cards on the table and all the lies and possible scenarios will come to fruition.

Next vote will 100% be on something concrete and important, like the state of the NHS, the state of how Brexit has resulted or not depending on who wins, its going to be all about damage control.

I don't care what anyone says right now, Labours plan is airy fairy with no proof on how they'll perform and we don't know if the Con's are going to do the dirty or not.

Next election all of that will of happened.

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

The argument that "trickle down economy works" in a country where thousands of working families are reduced to using food banks is plain ignorant.

Its exactly the same argument that goes "sweatshops help the poor in xyz country because otherwise they'd have nothing"...... when those people are going home to a shanty town with no toilets and a car battery for a power supply

Socialism is only good for the elites and capitalism and its trickle down myth is good for the poor.... wow ok

Im sick of hearing the same old shit from the right tbh. Sick of pandering to it

Why is it that the best places to live in the world, with the lowest crime, tend to be more liberal and more equal, with better public services and more personal freedom? Funny that.

Right wing trickle down my c***.

Liberal, compassionate policies breed the best living standards.

Can you define "trickle down" economics? I did in a previous post and it is applicable to any free economy. Do you also deny that the principles of supply and demand is factual? They are directly related to each other, actually one and the same . The flippant use of the term trickle down economics is a political statement, not an economic one.

Your sweatshop analogy is simply hyperbole. You are talking about Soviet or Chinese style exploitation or Victorian Britain, not a modern capitalist economy. Global poverty is at its lowest level ever, not due to socialism but rather due to capitalism being embraced in the third world. I refer you to the Economist reporting on this from three years ago. If you REALLY care about the less fortunate and a wealth gap the actual fight is against systemic corruption. Recent revolutions and demonstrations across the world have been staged against corruption from Iraq to Bolivia. Corruption is a constant in socialist economies and sadly in most third world nations.

Could you name a socialist economy that has worked? I don't mean countries like Norway or Sweden which have massive social aide programs , but rather real examples of economic socialism working. Scandinavian nations are indeed very nice places to live but that is because they have thriving capitalist economies and amazing work ethic which gave them the wherewithal to implement social structures as they have.

Having worked and lived in countries from India and Nepal to the far east, Pacific Islands, Central America, Bahama, the UK and family in Sweden I have concluded for myself that the US is the best place on earth to live.

Funny that you use the term "more equal" given that was how Orwell described the ubiquitous end point of socialialism...each and every time it is tried. Yes socialism is the ultimate jealousy based ideology as socialist always want others to pay their way. As the old saying goes, socialism is great until it runs out of other people's money.

Life is never about equal outcomes, but it should be about equal opportunity. Don't misinterpret this for not supporting safety nets for those who can't do for themselves, but too much "help" to the point of generational dependency (which in the US can be traced directly back to LBJ and the start of the welfare state policies) which had the exact opposite effect than intended. Urban communities have been devastated by decay and family disintegration. Last week three separate political polls (one left wing and two middle of the road) in the US put black support for Trump at 34%, up from 8% three years ago. After five decades of liberal policies that have seen inner cities rotting away and stagnate job opportunities black voters are seeing the difference in their pocket books and lives.

Hard as it seems to comprehend at times, reality and results are often counterintuitive. Rather than being sickened by alternate ideas to yours perhaps think about the bigger picture and compare results apples to apples? In truth compassionate conservative policies make life better for all. Winners and losers are not picked but rather people contribute which is good for the wallet and the soul.

[EliteKiller]

Can you define "trickle down" economics? I did in a previous post and it is applicable to any free economy. Do you also deny that the principles of supply and demand is factual? They are directly related to each other, actually one and the same . The flippant use of the term trickle down economics is a political statement, not an economic one.

Your sweatshop analogy is simply hyperbole. You are talking about Soviet or Chinese style exploitation or Victorian Britain, not a modern capitalist economy. Global poverty is at its lowest level ever, not due to socialism but rather due to capitalism being embraced in the third world. I refer you to the Economist reporting on this from three years ago. If you REALLY care about the less fortunate and a wealth gap the actual fight is against systemic corruption. Recent revolutions and demonstrations across the world have been staged against corruption from Iraq to Bolivia. Corruption is a constant in socialist economies and sadly in most third world nations.

Could you name a socialist economy that has worked? I don't mean countries like Norway or Sweden which have massive social aide programs , but rather real examples of economic socialism working. Scandinavian nations are indeed very nice places to live but that is because they have thriving capitalist economies and amazing work ethic which gave them the wherewithal to implement social structures as they have.

Having worked and lived in countries from India and Nepal to the far east, Pacific Islands, Central America, Bahama, the UK and family in Sweden I have concluded for myself that the US is the best place on earth to live.

Funny that you use the term "more equal" given that was how Orwell described the ubiquitous end point of socialialism...each and every time it is tried. Yes socialism is the ultimate jealousy based ideology as socialist always want others to pay their way. As the old saying goes, socialism is great until it runs out of other people's money.

Life is never about equal outcomes, but it should be about equal opportunity. Don't misinterpret this for not supporting safety nets for those who can't do for themselves, but too much "help" to the point of generational dependency (which in the US can be traced directly back to LBJ and the start of the welfare state policies) which had the exact opposite effect than intended. Urban communities have been devastated by decay and family disintegration. Last week three separate political polls (one left wing and two middle of the road) in the US put black support for Trump at 34%, up from 8% three years ago. After five decades of liberal policies that have seen inner cities rotting away and stagnate job opportunities black voters are seeing the difference in their pocket books and lives.

Hard as it seems to comprehend at times, reality and results are often counterintuitive. Rather than being sickened by alternate ideas to yours perhaps think about the bigger picture and compare results apples to apples? In truth compassionate conservative policies make life better for all. Winners and losers are not picked but rather people contribute which is good for the wallet and the soul.

[LMAO]

Last week three separate political polls (one left wing and two middle of the road) in the US put black support for Trump at 34%, up from 8% three years ago. After five decades of liberal policies that have seen inner cities rotting away and stagnate job opportunities black voters are seeing the difference in their pocket books and lives.

So black support has gone up tremendously but his overall approval rating has remained the same? Yeah, I'm calling faulty polling.

And maybe half of my family is a terrible sample, but no one approves of Trump and everyone sees him for the charlatan he is.

[UFGN]

You can't debate with fanatics, despite historical evidence going back centuries that the "mythical" socialist experiment doesn't work ... you still get the deluded and under 30's believing that it does ...

There is no such thing as free money ... if you take from the rich to feed the poor all you end up with is all poor .... you can tell UFGN the truth, show him the evidence, repeat that process over and over ... he won't listen, you're just wasting your breath

After a while when UFGN realises he has lost the argument he will just resort to abuse ... seems you've now struck that nerve .....

Never lost an argument with you yet

Just joined the rest of the forum in rolling eyes at your same old same old

[EliteKiller]

Never lost an argument with you yet

Just joined the rest of the forum in rolling eyes at your same old same old

This is the UFGN idea of debate - make something up then claim it as true - add an irrelevant statement - finally sprinkle some abuse ...

Dumb as a stump ... and somehow even more boring ... best you stick to agreeing with your family, and stay out of serious discussion.

"no one approves of Trump" apart from the 63 million who elected him ... sorry stump I did you a disservice ....