British Politics

[UFGN]

Can you blame Bercow for stopping it? Ultimately it's his job to keep order in Parliament and see that the rules are followed

Order has certainly not been kept and as for rules, just about every accepted legislative procedure has been bent over and buggered

It's all very well dishing out conspiracy theories but Bercow is the last person to blame for all this

Nope he's an egotistical c*** ... his job is to make sure rules are followed, not to unearth some obscure 1604 rule that hasn't been applied in centuries, should he enforce all these as well?

1. It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament

2. It is an act of treason to place a postage stamp bearing the British monarch upside-down

3. In Liverpool, it is illegal for a woman to be topless except as a clerk in a tropical fish store

5. In Scotland, if someone knocks on your door and requires the use of your toilet, you must let them enter

6. In the UK a pregnant woman can legally relieve herself anywhere she wants, including in a policeman's helmet

Parliament, however useless a bunch of c**** they have proven to be are elected to represent the British people, Bercow is just an appointed nobody who's job is to ensure the smooth running of parliament not dictate policy or play God.

The egotistical red faced c*** can't leave soon enough ... in chains would be good

May is trying to abuse her position to force through a vote which has seen unprecedented opposition

Everything is up in the air at the moment. However you are entirely wrong, it is not the Speaker's only job to see that Parliament runs smoothly. He's not a diary clerk

It's this government that can't leave soon enough.

[EliteKiller]

May is trying to abuse her position to force through a vote which has seen unprecedented opposition

Everything is up in the air at the moment. However you are entirely wrong, it is not the Speaker's only job to see that Parliament runs smoothly. He's not a diary clerk

It's this government that can't leave soon enough.

May (the government) can put any agenda they want to parliament, they then vote yes or no, that's how our democracy works.

You're right a GE is clearly required ... but you're 100% wrong that this has feck all to do with the speaker ... the speaker must be impartial, it simply can't be his job to unseat government, or block the opposition, that is not democracy that's dictatorship ...

We disagree on almost everything politically but even you must see this is Bercow massively overstepping his bounds ... May is useless, Corbyn is even more useless, but it's the electorates job to replace them not feckin' Bercow's ....

All he's done is cause a delay just when we need to be getting things done ... what possible upside is there in making the government re-write a bill when it will still have the same end result? ... he's just wasting everyone's time to massage his own ego ... truly sad

[UFGN]

No. You must see that it's May who has played for time and repeatedly abused parliamentary process when we leave the EU in 10 feckin days

It's her fault. It's all on her and to a lesser extent other Mps

Bercow is having to do his job in extraordinary circumstances

[UFGN]

I notice the right wing MSM are really piling into Bercow. They've always hated him so it's hardly a surprise they now want to use him as s scapegoat and smoke screen, to deflect attention from both Brexit and the Tories being a total f***ing shambles

When your tactics are shit and your players are shit, blame the referee

[EliteKiller]

No. You must see that it's May who has played for time and repeatedly abused parliamentary process when we leave the EU in 10 feckin days

It's her fault. It's all on her and to a lesser extent other Mps

Bercow is having to do his job in extraordinary circumstances

Yes May is utterly useless but she represents the elected government, agree with it or not it's her job to put forward policy, it's the elected MP's job to vote on those policies ...

How does Bercunt have the right to interfere? is he above the elected government?

How is it all on May? there are over 600 MP's she has just one vote ... the Tories are split and utterly feckin useless, Corbyn couldn't run a piss up in a brewery so the opposition is equally useless ... but that's how our democracy works ... you get what you vote for.

We need a GE to get rid of them all, when it happens it will be down to 67m voters not down to one appointed egotistic bureaucrat ....

I get it you don't agree with the Brexit process, frankly who does? But like it or not you can't appoint Bercunt as your arbitrary dictator, which is exactly what he is doing, that just makes the speaker into a dictator, and that's clearly not his job.

In reality all Bercunt has done is deflect the attention from what's crucial for the Country and once again made it all about him ... that's playing into May's hands, he's a small minded idiot just don't know how you can't see that.

[LMAO]

Wait. Hol up.

2018-09-24:

The total lack of understanding about how a Democracy works is staggering ....

The UK decided to hold a referendum on leaving the EU - Brexit as it became known - the democratic will of the people was exercised and the UK will be leaving in March 2019

What could reasonably be expected to happen in any democratic country is that the population would pull together behind a democratic decision and attempt to get the best result possible for their country .... seriously that's what should happen

But just like on this site it's not what has happened at all ... instead of debating what in a Brexit program would be beneficial for a non-EU United Kingdom, and what pitfalls should be avoided by a non-EU United Kingdom ... deciding what is the best way to achieve something that's been voted for by the British people ... instead of support for a democratic decision we get -

Pages and pages of why there shouldn't be a Brexit ... well sorry you've had a vote just suck it up ... unless or until the electorate get another vote it's done ....

Pages and pages of why Brexit will be bad for everything from German cars to Salad ... but no advice on how to mitigate these possible issues

Pages and pages on why Brexit (voted for by the entire UK population) is somehow a Tory scam, and even though Brexit has yet to happen, it can be blamed for everything from austerity to a lack women's rights ...

Frankly pages and pages by idiots with no understanding of how lucky they are to live in a free Democracy, and just how stupid they are for not taking advantage of that enviable position ...

Instead of constantly crying like babies about something that a referendum confirmed is going to happen, try getting behind Brexit even if you hate 'Brexit' you should still make it the best 'Brexit' you can have ....

Whinging, crying, pathetic .... it's not fair we lost the vote .... I'm going to stamp my feet until you let me win .... 'I can't be arsed unless you agree with me' .... yeah that really helps a whole lot .....

You gave plenty of fucks before the vote

God you're such hard work ....

That is exactly the point, everybody gave plenty of fucks before the vote, everybody had the opportunity to get their view heard, but the key words are before the vote

Once the vote has taken place then in a democratic society we are obligated to support the wishes of the majority, that is the very fundamentals of democracy,

For the losers to endlessly try and upset the democratic process .... that just makes them a bunch of entitled tossers ....

We see the disastrous end game of these actions in the US with the opposition just disagreeing 100% with everything the party in power says and does, even when those actions are good for the people, that's not democracy it's just c***, if we're not careful we will end up exactly the same ...

The extremes of left and right have never accepted democracy, they know they can't win ... the 'centre' needs to continue to prevail and make sure the will of the majority gets listened to ... thankfully we still do not run this country on 'he who shouts loudest wins' whatever you might wish for let's hope that never happens .....

But not allowing another vote on a bill—one that was overwhelmingly rejected twice in the span of two months—is now undemocratic

[EliteKiller]

But not allowing another vote on a bill—one that was overwhelmingly rejected twice in the span of two months—is now undemocratic

Of course it is, if the house decided not to vote, which they do on bills all the time, then that's Democratic ... but for a single individual to deny 650 elected MP's the right to vote, of course that is undemocratic.

We can all name numerous bills that have come to the house more than once, this government alone has done it 17 times in two years ... not once in those two years, or indeed in the last 100 years, has this or any other speaker stopped it happening ... so was every single previous occasion undemocratic? or is Bercow just making it up as he goes?

[Phil71]

We shouldn't pretend he did it in the best interests of the country or the preservation of Parliamentary reputation.

Right or wrong, this has been done after some behind the scenes remain camp political skullduggery.

[Power n Glory]

We shouldn't pretend he did it in the best interests of the country or the preservation of Parliamentary reputation.

Right or wrong, this has been done after some behind the scenes remain camp political skullduggery.

How and why? Unless an extension is agreed by the EU, we're heading for a No Deal Brexit. Enough time has been wasted. Unless May can come back with different deal and not the same one with just legal jargon tinkered with, there is no point in voting again. It's only going to get rejected. I can't see how this benefits those that want to remain.

[Phil71]

We shouldn't pretend he did it in the best interests of the country or the preservation of Parliamentary reputation.

Right or wrong, this has been done after some behind the scenes remain camp political skullduggery.

How and why? Unless an extension is agreed by the EU, we're heading for a No Deal Brexit. Enough time has been wasted. Unless May can come back with different deal and not the same one with just legal jargon tinkered with, there is no point in voting again. It's only going to get rejected. I can't see how this benefits those that want to remain.

As she now cannot return with the same deal, even slightly tweaked, she must go back to the EU and ask for a lengthy extension. One that would allow for the whole thing to be renegotiated. My guess is that would have to be a minimum of nine months and probably longer.

So we won't leave the EU on the 29th March. That is quite simply how it benefits those who want to remain.

[Power n Glory]

Also, with so many businesses leaving the UK for Europe, what sense does it make for the countries that benefit to grant an extension?

[Phil71]

Also, with so many businesses leaving the UK for Europe, what sense does it make for the countries that benefit to grant an extension?

Because the EU want the UK to stay in the EU.

[EliteKiller]

Also, with so many businesses leaving the UK for Europe, what sense does it make for the countries that benefit to grant an extension?

Fake News much? .... the UK still sees more foreign investment than Germany and France combined .... so where are all these companies 'leaving the UK' ... sure the level of investment will go down, but it's still a massive positive for the UK not a negative

https://economia.icaew.com/news/december-2018/foreign-investment-in-uk-highest-level

Making one line statements with zero substance ... the very epitome of project fear

[Royal Gooner]

Plus we have just signed trade deals with Norway and Switzerland. This is a great opportunity for us. YEs short term it may be tough, but we have the Commonwealth and US to re-establish independent ties with.

[Power n Glory]

Also, with so many businesses leaving the UK for Europe, what sense does it make for the countries that benefit to grant an extension?

Because the EU want the UK to stay in the EU.

Have you been keeping up with the general consensus outside of the UK? I know I haven't. The EU is not just one single voice. There are other countries that want to leave the EU as well. Why would they vote for an extension? If countries like Germany, Netherlands and France are gaining more business as a result of businesses leaving the UK, why vote for an extension and hope the UK stays? Especially if they have done their homework, weighed up the pros and cons and figured out that they'll be fine without the UK.

The EU have made it clear that they won't renegotiate and that this is the final deal so why extend it to go through the process again? It was painful enough getting all the countries to agree on this one deal. The time for renegotiation was months back.