British Politics

[EliteKiller]

He needs 320 votes.

I think his very best hope is around 295. And that is ambitious.

My guess is he'll get about 280.

His best hope is to lose and force a GE - Boris v Corbyn who's winning that one?

[Royal Gooner]

He needs 320 votes.

I think his very best hope is around 295. And that is ambitious.

My guess is he'll get about 280.

His best hope is to lose and force a GE - Boris v Corbyn who's winning that one?

Boris. Because Crazy Comrade Corbyn is completely unelectable and he knows it.

[Reverend Gooner]

If Boris is clever (and really doesn't want no deal which is the rumours despite much of his team wanting it) he would want the Letwin ammendment to pass as it will mean brexit is more likely to happen and if it doesn't it will give him a massive majority. The former because once it is passed there can be no more 'no deal' cunning maneovers and the best thing would be to get things though quickly and smoothly so they will and the latter because the 'threat of no deal' will be gone and any MP who votes against the final deal and withdrawal agreement can only do so to "stop brexit", all other arguments are too weak at this point.

Yes he would have to delay but it is a 'delay for a purpose', a 'delay to get out' which can be sold and apparently 2 weeks may be all that is needed if things are done swiftly.

[Phil71]

If Boris is clever (and really doesn't want no deal which is the rumours despite much of his team wanting it) he would want the Letwin ammendment to pass as it will mean brexit is more likely to happen and if it doesn't it will give him a massive majority. The former because once it is passed there can be no more 'no deal' cunning maneovers and the best thing would be to get things though quickly and smoothly so they will and the latter because the 'threat of no deal' will be gone and any MP who votes against the final deal and withdrawal agreement can only do so to "stop brexit", all other arguments are too weak at this point.

Yes he would have to delay but it is a 'delay for a purpose', a 'delay to get out' which can be sold and apparently 2 weeks may be all that is needed if things are done swiftly.

Letwin gets the vote.

Boris has to write the letter.

[Reverend Gooner]

Letwin supports the deal, the issue is to avoid no deal and to make sure each part of the deal completion has the time it needs seeing how last minute this is. If the government puts the ammended deal forward and it passes we leave, small extension or not. I don't see what they are afraid of, unless not going back on the 31st pledge is not more important than getting brexit done? Both sides are so full of s*** it is ridiculous.

Apparently Boris is going to frame the letter to be from parliament and then tell them to refuse the extension to get this deal through. The DUP response is to suggest they will back the "2nd referendum ammendment" on Tuesday's vote which may give it the edge.

[Rockape]

2nd referendum must be the only way to break the deadlock. Two options, vote for Boris’s deal or vote to stay.

[Reverend Gooner]

2nd referendum must be the only way to break the deadlock. Two options, vote for Boris’s deal or vote to stay.

Apparently with the DUP on board they need 6 more people to vote for it who voted against previously for it to pass. The government will surely just pull the WA vote though than see it voted through with a referendum. The only way has to be add it as an ammendment to the queen's speech as there is no way they will pull that.

[Royal Gooner]

2nd referendum must be the only way to break the deadlock. Two options, vote for Boris’s deal or vote to stay.

No no, that is very undemocratic. It should be 3 options if we really have to. No deal, Remain or Boris' deal.

[Royal Gooner]

If Boris is clever (and really doesn't want no deal which is the rumours despite much of his team wanting it) he would want the Letwin ammendment to pass as it will mean brexit is more likely to happen and if it doesn't it will give him a massive majority. The former because once it is passed there can be no more 'no deal' cunning maneovers and the best thing would be to get things though quickly and smoothly so they will and the latter because the 'threat of no deal' will be gone and any MP who votes against the final deal and withdrawal agreement can only do so to "stop brexit", all other arguments are too weak at this point.

Yes he would have to delay but it is a 'delay for a purpose', a 'delay to get out' which can be sold and apparently 2 weeks may be all that is needed if things are done swiftly.

Letwin gets the vote.

Boris has to write the letter.

And then just follow it up with a letter saying please ignore the last letter.

[UFGN]

Boris still wants no deal and so do his tory filth mates

The deal is a con.

[Royal Gooner]

Boris still wants no deal and so do his tory filth mates

The deal is a con.

Because the Crazy Comrade Corbyn daren't back it since he hadn't even read it!

No deal is coming and it will be glorious.

[Reverend Gooner]

What a childish move by Johnson. FT Law expert saying that not signing the letter means nothing and that the other letter has already been disregarded by Tusk.

[EliteKiller]

What a childish move by Johnson. FT Law expert saying that not signing the letter means nothing and that the other letter has already been disregarded by Tusk.

You misunderstand politics ... by not signing the letter he can say to the voters that he never agreed to another delay, never broke his vow ... in legal terms a signature is probably meaningless anyway as this letter comes from the UK Parliament, not Boris.

The Letwin amendment is no doubt frustrating to Boris but in the end it probably still helps him.

If the EU don't extend (and they will) then we're out on the 31st October Deal or No Deal ... but

If the EU do extend then the fat controller at the SNP will scream for a GE and Scottish independence, crazy comrade Corbyn has already said he will call for a GE because he thinks he can win, the opportunist Swinson will call for a GE because she thinks she can beat crazy comrade Corbyn ..... and con-man Boris will want a GE because the Tories are the last Leave party standing.

If at a GE the voters then split down Brexit lines, all polls now suggest the Tories will win by a country mile ....only polls but still.

This might not have been Boris Plan A but as a Plan B it's looking pretty good

What can the opposition do? call for a government of unity? under crazy comrade Corbyn? under old man Clarke? or who? How about a second referendum in 6 months time, will anyone either in the UK or the EU support that long a delay with no guarantee it will be any different from the last stalemate .... just what can the remainers now do that might actually work?

[Arsenal Tone]

I think the referendum should be between boris' deal and no deal.

[Rockape]

I think the referendum should be between boris' deal and no deal.

Brutal that would be! Clearly would never happen. Also you can’t split the out vote with two options. No, the deal is what has been negotiated, so it’s that or remain.....simples!