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Re: British Politics

Postby Git » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:59 am

Lol. Banter era in full effect.

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Re: British Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:55 am

Brandon wrote:Boris Johnson as foreign secretary?! f***ing hell :rofll: :rofll: :rofll:

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Hey, he's one of your own! Then again, we might end up with one of our own in the White House in January.
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Re: British Politics

Postby RowdyRoddyPoppins » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:11 am

Brandon wrote:Boris Johnson as foreign secretary?! f***ing hell :rofll: :rofll: :rofll:

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Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton in the White House......................so sit down mate.
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Re: British Politics

Postby RowdyRoddyPoppins » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:26 am

Gove has been sacked.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Luzh 22 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:51 am

UFGN wrote:National debt is higher now than when Labour left office.

It seems some of you have been drinking the Tory kool aid. Debt has increased under Cameron.


True. Do you understand what deficit means?
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:01 am

Luzh 22 wrote:
UFGN wrote:National debt is higher now than when Labour left office.

It seems some of you have been drinking the Tory kool aid. Debt has increased under Cameron.


True. Do you understand what deficit means?


Yes I do.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Luzh 22 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:13 am

UFGN wrote:
Luzh 22 wrote:
UFGN wrote:National debt is higher now than when Labour left office.

It seems some of you have been drinking the Tory kool aid. Debt has increased under Cameron.


True. Do you understand what deficit means?


Yes I do.


Then you should know the the UK has a deficit. Meaning we are accumulating debt all the time. The difference between Labour and the Conservatives is the rate at which we accumulate that debt.

So, bashing on the conservatives for having more debt now than when they came into office is a bit silly, don't you think?
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:24 am

Luzh 22 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Luzh 22 wrote:
UFGN wrote:National debt is higher now than when Labour left office.

It seems some of you have been drinking the Tory kool aid. Debt has increased under Cameron.


True. Do you understand what deficit means?


Yes I do.


Then you should know the the UK has a deficit. Meaning we are accumulating debt all the time. The difference between Labour and the Conservatives is the rate at which we accumulate that debt.

So, bashing on the conservatives for having more debt now than when they came into office is a bit silly, don't you think?


No I really, really don't.

The only bashing here is of labour, blaming them for "putting us in debt", when in truth the country is perennially in debt and its actually increased under the tories.

I don't even particularly support Labour but im getting a bit tired of smug right wing thickos spouting crap when they haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Luzh 22 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:27 am

But, Labours spending policies were a major contributing factor of the deficit widening. For all their faults, the Cons have arrested that decline, and in fact have reversed it somewhat. The deficit has been getting smaller with austerity policies, whether people agree with it or not.

It wouldn't have mattered who came into power at the end of the last Labour government, they were always going to be in more debt today than when they took over. But, if Labour had got back into power, there is no doubt that the deficit would have been wider now, rather than smaller.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Est83 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:35 am

The best one is blaming the recession on Labour just because they were in office at the time, when the foundations were laid during Thatchers time. Many economists predicted the recession years before it happened, warning of the effects of over investment made possible through laissez faire policy.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Git » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:37 am

Jeremy c*** apparently being moved off of Health Secretary. Junior doctors rejoicing everywhere.

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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:39 am

Luzh 22 wrote:But, Labours spending policies were a major contributing factor of the deficit widening. For all their faults, the Cons have arrested that decline, and in fact have reversed it somewhat. The deficit has been getting smaller with austerity policies, whether people agree with it or not.

It wouldn't have mattered who came into power at the end of the last Labour government, they were always going to be in more debt today than when they took over. But, if Labour had got back into power, there is no doubt that the deficit would have been wider now, rather than smaller.


The debt was higher in the late eighties under the tories than it is now.

Austerity is ideological.

Owing money is bad because you have to pay interest, but this fallacy that we're in some emergency situation is just a con.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Luzh 22 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:48 am

Est83 wrote:The best one is blaming the recession on Labour just because they were in office at the time, when the foundations were laid during Thatchers time. Many economists predicted the recession years before it happened, warning of the effects of over investment made possible through laissez faire policy.


Indeed. The country's woes come from a long line of mismanagement, form both political parties, in the false belief that laissez faire spending policies will always promote growth, thus repaying the debt back over time. Although a sound principle, spending often times outstrips growth by a large margin, and there are no set in stone thresholds where spending is reigned in.

And here we are.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Luzh 22 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:53 am

UFGN wrote:
Luzh 22 wrote:But, Labours spending policies were a major contributing factor of the deficit widening. For all their faults, the Cons have arrested that decline, and in fact have reversed it somewhat. The deficit has been getting smaller with austerity policies, whether people agree with it or not.

It wouldn't have mattered who came into power at the end of the last Labour government, they were always going to be in more debt today than when they took over. But, if Labour had got back into power, there is no doubt that the deficit would have been wider now, rather than smaller.


The debt was higher in the late eighties under the tories than it is now.

Austerity id ideological.


Read what Est wrote in regard to that time frame. Austerity is not idealogical to a particular party. Austerity is a reaction to debt management. Some economists think it's a good thing, whilst others prefer the spend through crisis approach. Both have their places, and, with the shrinking of the deficit, where the economical outlook for the UK is that we'll be back on an even keel by 2020-2025, you have to say Osbourne was right this time.

The growth throughout the world markets since 2008 (outside of emerging markets like China and India), has not been enough to warrant spending through crisis.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:03 pm

Luzh 22 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Luzh 22 wrote:But, Labours spending policies were a major contributing factor of the deficit widening. For all their faults, the Cons have arrested that decline, and in fact have reversed it somewhat. The deficit has been getting smaller with austerity policies, whether people agree with it or not.

It wouldn't have mattered who came into power at the end of the last Labour government, they were always going to be in more debt today than when they took over. But, if Labour had got back into power, there is no doubt that the deficit would have been wider now, rather than smaller.


The debt was higher in the late eighties under the tories than it is now.

Austerity id ideological.


Read what Est wrote in regard to that time frame. Austerity is not idealogical to a particular party. Austerity is a reaction to debt management. Some economists think it's a good thing, whilst others prefer the spend through crisis approach. Both have their places, and, with the shrinking of the deficit, where the economical outlook for the UK is that we'll be back on an even keel by 2020-2025, you have to say Osbourne was right this time.

The growth throughout the world markets since 2008 (outside of emerging markets like China and India), has not been enough to warrant spending through crisis.


It's ideological in that the effect has been massively disproportionate on people who do not vote Tory or don't vote

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