British Politics

[Luzh 22]

Phil71 has a point. If there are so many remainer's in the commons, why did the ref ever get so much support?


Anyway, the game has been rigged ever since the government have had egg on their faces. It's been two whole years of political sabotage, from all the parties, and the fiasco it has been turned into has been intentional.


The fear propaganda campaign has been ramped up again recently, and with parliament dead set on rejecting TM's euro deal, the whole process will be left in tatters. What will they do then? Another referendum... their goal from the start.



This is constitutional abuse, and it is not even being reported in the news, as it doesn't benefit media corporations leaving the EU. I am still baffled that people can't see through all this smoke.

[UFGN]

Imagine if MPs had rejected the referendum result.

People who support leave would be even more unbearable, continuing to blame everything on the EU and spouting tales of woe about how unfair and anti-democratic it all is. Including familiar faces on this forum.

MPs who voted it down would be vilified as hate figures in the right wing bully boy press

Maybe the murder of Joe Cox was on their minds? Maybe they didnt fancy being next? Who knows?

It's completely disingenuous to blame remain supporting MPs for backing the referendum.

The place to stop it happening was in 10 Downing Street. Once the PM declared it would happen, it would have been unthinkable to vote down the result.

[Luzh 22]

I truly believe that even the MP's who were backing leave didn't truly believe in it. It was a way for them to score some political points with certain voters, and I think they thought they were going to lose. It's the only explanation I have for their political absence in this process.


The whole house of commons is an utter disgrace, I am disgusted by the choices I have when it comes to political representation. The whole system needs tearing down, and two party politics must end.

[UFGN]

I truly believe that even the MP's who were backing leave didn't truly believe in it. It was a way for them to score some political points with certain voters, and I think they thought they were going to lose. It's the only explanation I have for their political absence in this process.


The whole house of commons is an utter disgrace, I am disgusted by the choices I have when it comes to political representation. The whole system needs tearing down, and two party politics must end.

Did you vote in the PR referendum a few years ago?

[Luzh 22]

Imagine if MPs had rejected the referendum result.

The government has rejected the referendum result. They have just gone about it, in a way that absolves them officially saying so.


How many pages was that dossier they presented to the commons last? 2 years work involving thousands of politicians and their staff? It's an utter shambles, and it has been done purposely.

[UFGN]

Imagine if MPs had rejected the referendum result.

The government has rejected the referendum result. They have just gone about it, in a way that absolves them officially saying so.


How many pages was that dossier they presented to the commons last? 2 years work involving thousands of politicians and their staff? It's an utter shambles, and it has been done purposely.

Leave MPs all shat the bed and stood by while an awful PM was elected internally to do their work for them

Their fault.

[Luzh 22]

Imagine if MPs had rejected the referendum result.

The government has rejected the referendum result. They have just gone about it, in a way that absolves them officially saying so.


How many pages was that dossier they presented to the commons last? 2 years work involving thousands of politicians and their staff? It's an utter shambles, and it has been done purposely.

Leave MPs all shat the bed and stood by while an awful PM was elected internally to do their work for them

Their fault.

The whole house of commons who were "representing" during and since the ref are to blame, it should have never come to this. Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and David Davis (although the latter did actually try to do something, but ultimately ran away too) must take the lions share of the blame. Boris Johnson and Michael Gove should be charged with treason imo. It's practically what they have done.


The whole rotten system makes me sick to my stomach.

[Phil71]

Imagine if MPs had rejected the referendum result.

People who support leave would be even more unbearable, continuing to blame everything on the EU and spouting tales of woe about how unfair and anti-democratic it all is. Including familiar faces on this forum.

MPs who voted it down would be vilified as hate figures in the right wing bully boy press

Maybe the murder of Joe Cox was on their minds? Maybe they didnt fancy being next? Who knows?

It's completely disingenuous to blame remain supporting MPs for backing the referendum.

The place to stop it happening was in 10 Downing Street. Once the PM declared it would happen, it would have been unthinkable to vote down the result.

So you're comparing those who wanted a referendum to the murderer of Jo Cox.

Unbelievable.

[UFGN]

You also should consider that maybe we couldn't have got much of a better deal in any case

The bullshit and hot air brexiteers spun about us being able to have our cake and eat it was.... bullshit and hot air

[Zedie]

Imagine if MPs had rejected the referendum result.

People who support leave would be even more unbearable, continuing to blame everything on the EU and spouting tales of woe about how unfair and anti-democratic it all is. Including familiar faces on this forum.

MPs who voted it down would be vilified as hate figures in the right wing bully boy press

Maybe the murder of Joe Cox was on their minds? Maybe they didnt fancy being next? Who knows?

It's completely disingenuous to blame remain supporting MPs for backing the referendum.

The place to stop it happening was in 10 Downing Street. Once the PM declared it would happen, it would have been unthinkable to vote down the result.

So you're comparing those who wanted a referendum to the murderer of Jo Cox.

Unbelievable.

Extreme right political violence seems to exclusively eminate from the right wing who would naturally be in the leave portion. Maybe you could give any examples of murders or unprovoked violence by a militant element of the liberal side of the spectrum?

Probably not.

Attempting to pretend like UFGN branded every leave voter as unhinged killers is disingenuous and pretty typical of the sort of nonsense the medium to far right wing have been pushing these last 2 years tbh.

No one is saying leave voters are murderous, but I'm sorry, the far right, be it Islamic terrorists, white supremacists or any other regressive ideologists are the number 1 perpetrators world wide of political or religious violence.

Maybe you see it in another way?

[Phil71]

Imagine if MPs had rejected the referendum result.

People who support leave would be even more unbearable, continuing to blame everything on the EU and spouting tales of woe about how unfair and anti-democratic it all is. Including familiar faces on this forum.

MPs who voted it down would be vilified as hate figures in the right wing bully boy press

Maybe the murder of Joe Cox was on their minds? Maybe they didnt fancy being next? Who knows?

It's completely disingenuous to blame remain supporting MPs for backing the referendum.

The place to stop it happening was in 10 Downing Street. Once the PM declared it would happen, it would have been unthinkable to vote down the result.

So you're comparing those who wanted a referendum to the murderer of Jo Cox.

Unbelievable.

Extreme right political violence seems to exclusively eminate from the right wing who would naturally be in the leave portion. Maybe you could give any examples of murders or unprovoked violence by a militant element of the liberal side of the spectrum?

Probably not.

Attempting to pretend like UFGN branded every leave voter as unhinged killers is disingenuous and pretty typical of the sort of nonsense the medium to far right wing have been pushing these last 2 years tbh.

No one is saying leave voters are murderous, but I'm sorry, the far right, be it Islamic terrorists, white supremacists or any other regressive ideologists are the number 1 perpetrators world wide of political or religious violence.

Maybe you see it in another way?

He suggested that one reason MPs chose to pass the government’s referendum Act was because they feared being murdered by right wing extremists.

That, in any sensible, right minded person’s view, must be seen as utter, utter nonsense.

[Luzh 22]

Well, I've just been listening to that shower of shit for last 2 hours.

Summary:

TM and her government, despite the fanciful words, have no meat to their claims, and the whole "deal" put forth is a sham, designed to keep them in power.
JC and his shadow government, despite rightful condemnation of the above, still see's this as an opportunity to get into government, with another genelec.
The lib dems, SNP and other independents (minus the DUP) see this as another opportunity to have a 2nd ref.
The DUP see this as opportunity to be the contemptable twats they have always been.


The UK is f***ked, and it is all down to members of parliament, that despite overtures to the contrary, have no interest in seeing the will of people they claim to represent fulfilled. They would also rather further their own or their parties interests, over that of the national interest.


Is there any precedent in the countries history, of the houses of parliament being disbanded other than that of Oliver Cromwell's? Sack them all.

[Phil71]

It’s been treated as a political football from day one.

Just forget about it, draw a line under it and move on.

[Luzh 22]

It’s been treated as a political football from day one.

Just forget about it, draw a line under it and move on.

Don't think it really works like that...

[Phil71]

It’s been treated as a political football from day one.

Just forget about it, draw a line under it and move on.

Don't think it really works like that...

I think that’s the way it’ll turn out.

All they are doing is playing a silly game. Just stop the nonsense and tell the EU that we’re not leaving. Apologise for any inconvenience caused etc.