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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:27 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:
Phil71 wrote:ECJ lawyer says the UK can cancel brexit and resume membership without having to seek permission from member states.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... s-46428579


You'd have to repeal the EU withdrawal act for that to happen.

Phyrric victory if the court do say we can because I highly doubt that parliament will repeal it lest they face their constituents for what will be viewed as an undemocratic move.


As soon as the High Court ruled that the government's final brexit deal had to be approved by Parliament, the whole thing was finished.

Everything else since then has been a complete waste of time and money. Parliament will never approve any sort of brexit.
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:30 pm

This was all a complete and utter waste of time the moment Leave thought they could just sit back and not even get involved in the decision making process and gave control to Theresa May, simple as that.

They can kick and scream about WTO all they like, but the fact is they've never given any detailed plans about how that would work, do they really think people can get behind an option with no plan?

Maybe we should just take May's stitch up offer, who know's?

I don't like the idea of an instruction being given in a vote and it not being carried out but again Leave handed the reigns over to a Remainer, they pretty much deserve to have the vote null and void on that alone.

Its going to be a very interesting month ahead that's for sure.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:56 pm

If, as the general consensus of MPs seems to think, brexit will be so damaging to the UK, you have to ask why the referendum was allowed in the first place.

We elect MPs to represent us and make sensible decisions in Parliament on our behalf, and yet The European Union Referendum Act 2015 was passed in Parliament with 544 MPs out of 596 voting for it.

Now a huge majority of them are saying brexit shouldn't happen in any form. If that is the case, why did they approve it?

If there was a referendum on the death penalty in the UK I'm sure it might very well get a yes vote. But it would never get to that because Parliament would never allow it. In fact they repealed it in the 1960s against popular opinion - because it was the right thing to do.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:10 pm

Phil71 wrote:If, as the general consensus of MPs seems to think, brexit will be so damaging to the UK, you have to ask why the referendum was allowed in the first place.

We elect MPs to represent us and make sensible decisions in Parliament on our behalf, and yet The European Union Referendum Act 2015 was passed in Parliament with 544 MPs out of 596 voting for it.

Now a huge majority of them are saying brexit shouldn't happen in any form. If that is the case, why did they approve it?

If there was a referendum on the death penalty in the UK I'm sure it might very well get a yes vote. But it would never get to that because Parliament would never allow it. In fact they repealed it in the 1960s against popular opinion - because it was the right thing to do.


The only reason it happened was because Cameron was nothing but a political gambler scared of Farage. He promised it as a way to stop people flocking to UKIP and then held it to make it look like he was keeping his election promise. But the fact that he played almost every dirty trick in it to ensure remain won (using taxpayer money to fund that mail shot to everyone in the UK promoting remain being the main example) that the public saw right through it (plus all that sneering at the less well off by celebrities like Geldof) meant that Leave was the only realistic outcome.

Just a shame that Cameron reneged on his promise of doing what the people wanted and ran away like a coward when his gamble backfired.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:31 pm

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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:34 pm

Phil71 wrote:If, as the general consensus of MPs seems to think, brexit will be so damaging to the UK, you have to ask why the referendum was allowed in the first place.

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You know why. To save the Tories arses from their own stupid voters because they were scared of UKIP

That's as close to a fact as you'll get in all this
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:36 pm

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Phil71 wrote:If, as the general consensus of MPs seems to think, brexit will be so damaging to the UK, you have to ask why the referendum was allowed in the first place.

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You know why. To save the Tories arses from their own stupid voters because they were scared of UKIP

That's as close to a fact as you'll get in all this


It wasn't just Conservative voters that were moving to UKIP. Nor was it just Conservative voters who voted leave.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:39 pm

Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:If, as the general consensus of MPs seems to think, brexit will be so damaging to the UK, you have to ask why the referendum was allowed in the first place.

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You know why. To save the Tories arses from their own stupid voters because they were scared of UKIP

That's as close to a fact as you'll get in all this


It wasn't just Conservative voters that were moving to UKIP. Nor was it just Conservative voters who voted leave.


You asked the reason the referendum was agreed to. That's the reason
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:41 pm

UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:If, as the general consensus of MPs seems to think, brexit will be so damaging to the UK, you have to ask why the referendum was allowed in the first place.

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You know why. To save the Tories arses from their own stupid voters because they were scared of UKIP

That's as close to a fact as you'll get in all this


It wasn't just Conservative voters that were moving to UKIP. Nor was it just Conservative voters who voted leave.


You asked the reason the referendum was agreed to. That's the reason


There are not 544 Conservative MPs in the House of Commons.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:57 pm

Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:If, as the general consensus of MPs seems to think, brexit will be so damaging to the UK, you have to ask why the referendum was allowed in the first place.

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You know why. To save the Tories arses from their own stupid voters because they were scared of UKIP

That's as close to a fact as you'll get in all this


It wasn't just Conservative voters that were moving to UKIP. Nor was it just Conservative voters who voted leave.


You asked the reason the referendum was agreed to. That's the reason


There are not 544 Conservative MPs in the House of Commons.


The reason Cameron agreed to it was because of swivel eyed Daily Mail readers baying for blood.

That's the actual reason.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:01 pm

UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:If, as the general consensus of MPs seems to think, brexit will be so damaging to the UK, you have to ask why the referendum was allowed in the first place.

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You know why. To save the Tories arses from their own stupid voters because they were scared of UKIP

That's as close to a fact as you'll get in all this


It wasn't just Conservative voters that were moving to UKIP. Nor was it just Conservative voters who voted leave.


You asked the reason the referendum was agreed to. That's the reason


There are not 544 Conservative MPs in the House of Commons.


The reason Cameron agreed to it was because of swivel eyed Daily Mail readers baying for blood.

That's the actual reason.


I didn't ask that. I asked why 544 MPs had passed the Act.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:10 pm

Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:If, as the general consensus of MPs seems to think, brexit will be so damaging to the UK, you have to ask why the referendum was allowed in the first place.

.


You know why. To save the Tories arses from their own stupid voters because they were scared of UKIP

That's as close to a fact as you'll get in all this


It wasn't just Conservative voters that were moving to UKIP. Nor was it just Conservative voters who voted leave.


You asked the reason the referendum was agreed to. That's the reason


There are not 544 Conservative MPs in the House of Commons.


The reason Cameron agreed to it was because of swivel eyed Daily Mail readers baying for blood.

That's the actual reason.


I didn't ask that. I asked why 544 MPs had passed the Act.


Once the prime minister had offered it they felt they had little choice

You know this
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:16 pm

Ask your mate RG

Read his posts

There's a textbook example of the mentality we're dealing with and why the whole situation is now f***ked

Morons more interested in flags and blue passports than real life and the economy
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:23 pm

UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:If, as the general consensus of MPs seems to think, brexit will be so damaging to the UK, you have to ask why the referendum was allowed in the first place.

.


You know why. To save the Tories arses from their own stupid voters because they were scared of UKIP

That's as close to a fact as you'll get in all this


It wasn't just Conservative voters that were moving to UKIP. Nor was it just Conservative voters who voted leave.


You asked the reason the referendum was agreed to. That's the reason


There are not 544 Conservative MPs in the House of Commons.


The reason Cameron agreed to it was because of swivel eyed Daily Mail readers baying for blood.

That's the actual reason.


I didn't ask that. I asked why 544 MPs had passed the Act.


Once the prime minister had offered it they felt they had little choice

You know this


Really?

The House must follow everything that the Prime Minister wants?

In that case Mrs May has nothing to worry about.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:42 pm

What am I supposed to say? I presume you voted or supported Brexit?

And now you're asking why you weren't saved from yourself?

You're asking the wrong person
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