British Politics

[Phil71]

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This is too funny.

If anyone was ever unclear about the fact that Remanier May's Brexit deal wasn't going to have us over a barrel and tied to the EU forever then let this statement clarify that for you.

"Tusk says EU will only give UK short article 50 extension if MPs pass Brexit deal"

In other words the EU will use the Backstop to demand what they want from us come actual negotiation time, nick our fishing waters, nick Gibraltar and god know's what else.

This sh*t is hilarious.

The fact that they seem to want this deal more than even us Remaining goes to show where all the leverage is.

In regard to the Irish border issue, you have to wonder how the Brexit referendum was allowed in the first place - if everyone recognises (as they seem to) that it’s the primary sticking point.

If we have a legally binding agreement that there will be no hard border in Ireland, and if EU law says that there must be a hard border between any EU country and any immediately adjacent country that doesn’t have a trade deal with the EU, then a no deal Brexit could never happen.

If that is the case, Cameron should have been advised that the referendum could result in the scenario we have now. Perhaps he was, and chose to gamble on his remain argument winning.

[Phil71]

So, the EU have called our hand. ‘Approve the deal next week or we won’t give you an extension.’

OK. Let’s leave without a deal. I hope May announces that tonight.

[Reverend Gooner]

I am not even going to watch May's statement as I can see myself losing my s*** over it.

This deal will have us over a barrel, the way the EU works means that the EU can claim 'we really want this to work, all 26 of us are happy with this however we have to support our member' while 1 member says 'but we want this no excuses'. The EU will be forced to say no not yet, and one by one they will all have their piece, be it Gibraltar, Northern Ireland?, fishing rights, free movement, ECOJ jurisdiction, preferable contracts, more money, etc and I am 100% not suggesting the EU are all bond villians who will be looking to tear us to bits, they probably will negotiate in good faith but the fact remains they are tough negotiators (our influence is a big part of that), they will look after themselves first (as they should) and they all need to agree to it (which they do) and any country which digs their heels can stop everything. We will have to concede to all (minus whatever small leverage we do have (NATO commitments?) ) or stay in the backstop for a long long time. We cannot risk this, no matter how much faith we have the EU.

MPs must stay strong and not back down in the face of these threats. An MEP has already come out and said that Tusk is just playing politics to help May and that a longer deal is available if this fails again and something else happens). If this vote fails and a real no deal is coming then there are other options like a vote of no confidence which Tory MPs may actually back.

[Phil71]

Germany and France know full well that the Italian and Spanish banks are teetering on the edge of another bailout precipice.

Without us they would struggle to finance it, and their own economies would be rocked by the effect on the Euro. Germany has almost gone into recession twice already in the past 18 months.

They desperately want us to remain, and are calling our bluff in the hope that it will create enough political chaos to cause another referendum.

[Reverend Gooner]

That is why the tweet about the EU still be up for a different basis for extension makes sense.

Three different sources tell @nickeardleybbc and I that Jeremy Corbyn walked out of the meeting with that PM because Chuka Umunna of TiG was there

Corbyn is such a dick, why now, do we have to have someone like him as leader of the opposition?

[Phil71]

Corbyn’s contribution throughout this whole affair has been to continually try to force a general election. He has contributed nothing.

The man is shameless. He doesn’t give a shit about Britain or British interests. All he is interested in is his brand of far left wing socialism, and how he might get the opportunity to inflict it on the UK.

[DiamondGooner]

That is why the tweet about the EU still be up for a different basis for extension makes sense.

Three different sources tell @nickeardleybbc and I that Jeremy Corbyn walked out of the meeting with that PM because Chuka Umunna of TiG was there

Corbyn is such a dick, why now, do we have to have someone like him as leader of the opposition?

I actually blame this on social media aggravation and the media outlets themselves.

Racism sells, Far wing ideology sells, outrage sells and both liberal and conservative media are guilty of it.

How many American news channels host guest chats on these issues pitting one against the other for views?

These type of agendas are what has pushed Labour Far Left and Conservatives Far Right.

They are feeding off and mopping up support from these more extreme bases and so the Centre Right of David Cameron and the Centre Left of Blair are over ............ and these are the w*nkers we have now, ideologues fighting it out to the death.

I'm just glad the EU and Bercow have taken it upon themselves to push us to a conclusion because our Parliament have been an utter disgrace and embarrassment to us all.

[Luzh 22]

I still think we leave the E.U with no deal by default.

Only LMAO believed me.

[Royal Gooner]

I still think we leave the E.U with no deal by default.

Only LMAO believed me.

We will probably have to, there's no way May's deal is getting through the Commons. I have to say I always believed that too.

[dc16]

That is why the tweet about the EU still be up for a different basis for extension makes sense.

Three different sources tell @nickeardleybbc and I that Jeremy Corbyn walked out of the meeting with that PM because Chuka Umunna of TiG was there

Corbyn is such a dick, why now, do we have to have someone like him as leader of the opposition?

A stronger opposition leader and May and her Tory party would be done for.

What a total t**t that man is.

[Royal Gooner]

That is why the tweet about the EU still be up for a different basis for extension makes sense.

Three different sources tell @nickeardleybbc and I that Jeremy Corbyn walked out of the meeting with that PM because Chuka Umunna of TiG was there

Corbyn is such a dick, why now, do we have to have someone like him as leader of the opposition?

A stronger opposition leader and May and her Tory party would be done for.

What a total t**t that man is.

Agreed. Andy Burnham would have put up more of a fight, so would Mrs Balls. The problem is that Labour have been infiltrated by Communists and it will be impossible for them to elect anyone credible as their leader again. Chuka may have stood enough of a chance against May to make it interesting but as he's left and the Commies are deselecting anyone who isn't a hardline marxist, they'll never have another Tony Blair style figure to lead them back to power.

[Jedi]

Am i getting this right, she needs to cram through the deal that's been rejected twice and more recently shot down by Bercow and there is no extension otherwise? Oh boy.

[Royal Gooner]

Am i getting this right, she needs to cram through the deal that's been rejected twice and more recently shot down by Bercow and there is no extension otherwise? Oh boy.

She's either going to have to accept no deal or fall on her sword and take the ECJ decision and cancel Brexit but resign and force either Boris or JRM into becoming PM

[Phil71]

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Am i getting this right, she needs to cram through the deal that's been rejected twice and more recently shot down by Bercow and there is no extension otherwise? Oh boy.

Something is afoot I reckon. She had a long meeting this evening with Vince Cable and Chuka Umunna - two staunch remainers.

She will be trying to get their buy-in for her deal so she can get the extension - but what will they be asking for in return? A caveat that will take it to a people’s vote perhaps? With the added caveat that if that gets rejected there’ll be another referendum.

[Luzh 22]

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Am i getting this right, she needs to cram through the deal that's been rejected twice and more recently shot down by Bercow and there is no extension otherwise? Oh boy.

Something is afoot I reckon. She had a long meeting this evening with Vince Cable and Chuka Umunna - two staunch remainers.

She will be trying to get their buy-in for her deal so she can get the extension - but what will they be asking for in return? A caveat that will take it to a people’s vote perhaps? With the added caveat that if that gets rejected there’ll be another referendum.

They can try to subvert it, but all it'll take is some small spark somewhere, and they'll have a really bad situation on their hands. Will they have the guts to gamble that the British public will be sufficiently pacified enough to overturn the referendum?

I honestly think it won't come to that though, I have a sneaky feeling a couple of states are going to refuse an extension, and it only takes one to do so for it to be rejected. Euro sceptic states like Italy and Poland might want to see how things turn out on the outside, and what better way to see with no real risk to their own countries?