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Re: British Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:06 pm

Phil71 wrote:Labour have opened disciplinary proceedings against MP Margaret Hodge for an apparent confrontation with comrade Corbyn.

It’s rumoured she loudly called him an anti-Semite, and added some fruity language to stress the point.


Good old Parliamentary Privilege to protect her for daring to stand up and say it in order to allow for us to openly report that she said it.

She's the daughter of Jews who fled the Nazis and saw off Nick Griffin and the BNP in the 2010 election so I think she knows anti-Semitism when she sees it.
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:56 pm

Phil71 wrote:Labour have opened disciplinary proceedings against MP Margaret Hodge for an apparent confrontation with comrade Corbyn.

It’s rumoured she loudly called him an anti-Semite, and added some fruity language to stress the point.


:lol:


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Phil71 wrote:Labour have opened disciplinary proceedings against MP Margaret Hodge for an apparent confrontation with comrade Corbyn.

It’s rumoured she loudly called him an anti-Semite, and added some fruity language to stress the point.


Good old Parliamentary Privilege to protect her for daring to stand up and say it in order to allow for us to openly report that she said it.

She's the daughter of Jews who fled the Nazis and saw off Nick Griffin and the BNP in the 2010 election so I think she knows anti-Semitism when she sees it.


Can someone please explain to me how in the hell Corbyn is an Anti-semite??

I mean where did all this come from, obviously regarding the reports about Labour having anti-semite issues .......... but how did this happen? when did Labour become the new BNP lol?
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:37 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Phil71 wrote:Labour have opened disciplinary proceedings against MP Margaret Hodge for an apparent confrontation with comrade Corbyn.

It’s rumoured she loudly called him an anti-Semite, and added some fruity language to stress the point.


:lol:


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Phil71 wrote:Labour have opened disciplinary proceedings against MP Margaret Hodge for an apparent confrontation with comrade Corbyn.

It’s rumoured she loudly called him an anti-Semite, and added some fruity language to stress the point.


Good old Parliamentary Privilege to protect her for daring to stand up and say it in order to allow for us to openly report that she said it.

She's the daughter of Jews who fled the Nazis and saw off Nick Griffin and the BNP in the 2010 election so I think she knows anti-Semitism when she sees it.


Can someone please explain to me how in the hell Corbyn is an Anti-semite??

I mean where did all this come from, obviously regarding the reports about Labour having anti-semite issues .......... but how did this happen? when did Labour become the new BNP lol?



I don't understand it either. I know a lot of Labour guys and they're baffled by it as well. It's not true

A few comments have been trumped up by the RW press in an attempt to create a false equivalence with the racist shit their crew come out with all the time
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:11 pm

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UFGN wrote:I got back from the Shetland Islands a few days ago. There isn't a place in the UK where fishing is more important than Shetland, it has 24000 residents and lands more fish than all of England put together

They face a serious problem. If the deal with the EU imposes tariffs then their exports will be less profitable. Over fishing has been a big problem for them in the past. Their Salmon farms and fish processing plants have a lot of EU workers, and the businesses are worried about the impact of not being able to get semi skilled Aquaculture specialists.

There are similar staffing concerns in their oil industry

Shetland Islands - the UKs biggest fishing port by far, bigger than all of England combined..... voted to remain.


Sorry but I don't agree with any of this !! Shetland Islands the UK's biggest fishing port and bigger than all of England combined ?

According to official figures from the government for 2016 published in August 2017, Peterhead was the port with the highest landings and Scottish ships in general accounted for 65% of UK landings.

Approximately 11,800 active fishermen in the UK, 1,000 of which are in the Shetland Islands, according to the Shetland Fisherman Association who also confirmed that Shetland fisherman accounted for 1 quarter of Scottish fishing and 1 sixth of the UK catch !!!

29% of UK landings came from English vessels. Doing the maths, if Scotland makes up 65% and Shetland makes up a quarter of that, thats 16% approx from the Shetland Islands which is much less than the English landings. Unless I am mistaking something.


Shetland is the second biggest port in the UK for white fish landings after Peterhead in Aberdeenshire.

More fish is landed on the islands than in England, Wales and Northern Ireland combined
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Shetland fishing industry records biggest catch since 1987
https://www.scotsman.com/business/compa ... -1-4321888
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:20 pm

....meanwhile, one of England's biggest fishing ports Grimsby voted to leave and now this has happened....

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/all- ... referendum
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:26 pm

Meanwhile, in Grimsby they voted to leave and now are shitting themselves because they face likely export duties and a tougher time getting staff to work in their fish processing plants
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:18 am

UFGN wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Phil71 wrote:Labour have opened disciplinary proceedings against MP Margaret Hodge for an apparent confrontation with comrade Corbyn.

It’s rumoured she loudly called him an anti-Semite, and added some fruity language to stress the point.


:lol:


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Phil71 wrote:Labour have opened disciplinary proceedings against MP Margaret Hodge for an apparent confrontation with comrade Corbyn.

It’s rumoured she loudly called him an anti-Semite, and added some fruity language to stress the point.


Good old Parliamentary Privilege to protect her for daring to stand up and say it in order to allow for us to openly report that she said it.

She's the daughter of Jews who fled the Nazis and saw off Nick Griffin and the BNP in the 2010 election so I think she knows anti-Semitism when she sees it.


Can someone please explain to me how in the hell Corbyn is an Anti-semite??

I mean where did all this come from, obviously regarding the reports about Labour having anti-semite issues .......... but how did this happen? when did Labour become the new BNP lol?



I don't understand it either. I know a lot of Labour guys and they're baffled by it as well. It's not true

A few comments have been trumped up by the RW press in an attempt to create a false equivalence with the racist shit their crew come out with all the time


Well I don't think its fake news because there were complaints about it from Labour MP's and didn't one of them hand in her notice in protest?

Its just a bit of weird quirk to have considering they're a Left Wing party.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:57 am

DiamondGooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Phil71 wrote:Labour have opened disciplinary proceedings against MP Margaret Hodge for an apparent confrontation with comrade Corbyn.

It’s rumoured she loudly called him an anti-Semite, and added some fruity language to stress the point.


:lol:


Royal Gooner wrote:
Phil71 wrote:Labour have opened disciplinary proceedings against MP Margaret Hodge for an apparent confrontation with comrade Corbyn.

It’s rumoured she loudly called him an anti-Semite, and added some fruity language to stress the point.


Good old Parliamentary Privilege to protect her for daring to stand up and say it in order to allow for us to openly report that she said it.

She's the daughter of Jews who fled the Nazis and saw off Nick Griffin and the BNP in the 2010 election so I think she knows anti-Semitism when she sees it.


Can someone please explain to me how in the hell Corbyn is an Anti-semite??

I mean where did all this come from, obviously regarding the reports about Labour having anti-semite issues .......... but how did this happen? when did Labour become the new BNP lol?



I don't understand it either. I know a lot of Labour guys and they're baffled by it as well. It's not true

A few comments have been trumped up by the RW press in an attempt to create a false equivalence with the racist shit their crew come out with all the time


Well I don't think its fake news because there were complaints about it from Labour MP's and didn't one of them hand in her notice in protest?

Its just a bit of weird quirk to have considering they're a Left Wing party.


I think a lot of it has to do with the wide support within the party for Palestine

False allegations of antisemitism stem from that. And it's bollocks. Condemning Israel for its treatment of Palestinians is nothing to do with antisemitism
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Re: British Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:44 am

UFGN wrote: False allegations of antisemitism stem from that. And it's bollocks. Condemning Israel for its treatment of Palestinians is nothing to do with antisemitism


But that's not how the World works ....

Try condemning all 'blacks' for committing a disproportionately high number of knife crimes, even though that's a fact ... see how long before you are labelled a racist ...

If Corbyn condemns the entire Jewish state for it's actions in the Middle East then that's racist ... if he were just to condemn individuals or a political party that would be acceptable ... but to condemn an entire people?

Here is what JC refused to sign up to ..... it's why his own party members called him anti-semite .... if he signed then he'd have an issue with the very first principle ....

IHRA working definition | Anti-Semitism

The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance hopes that providing a strict definition of anti-Semitism will help organisations to combat it. The definition is as follows:

“Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

The IHRA gives examples such as:

-Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
-Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
-Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, eg. by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
-Applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
-Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism (eg. claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
-Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
-Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

Source: International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance
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Re: British Politics

Postby LMAO » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:25 am

EliteKiller wrote:
UFGN wrote: False allegations of antisemitism stem from that. And it's bollocks. Condemning Israel for its treatment of Palestinians is nothing to do with antisemitism


But that's not how the World works ....

Try condemning all 'blacks' for committing a disproportionately high number of knife crimes, even though that's a fact ... see how long before you are labelled a racist ...

If Corbyn condemns the entire Jewish state for it's actions in the Middle East then that's racist ... if he were just to condemn individuals or a political party that would be acceptable ... but to condemn an entire people?

Here is what JC refused to sign up to ..... it's why his own party members called him anti-semite .... if he signed then he'd have an issue with the very first principle ....

IHRA working definition | Anti-Semitism

The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance hopes that providing a strict definition of anti-Semitism will help organisations to combat it. The definition is as follows:

“Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

The IHRA gives examples such as:

-Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
-Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
-Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, eg. by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
-Applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
-Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism (eg. claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
-Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
-Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

Source: International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance


That definition from the IHRA is utter bullshit tbh. It falls apart when you realize Arabs are also Semites.

Also: Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Wtf? Zionism is a real thing.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:51 am

He is a vocal supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah. He has attended their rallies, has been working closely with their people for decades.

Both organisations want the destruction of Israel and all Jews to be expelled from the region.

That's enough for me.
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Re: British Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:09 am

LMAO wrote:That definition from the IHRA is utter bullshit tbh. It falls apart when you realize Arabs are also Semites.

Also: Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Wtf? Zionism is a real thing.



The question asked was why was JC called out as an anti-semite .... rejecting the IHRA was the reason (it was approved by the UK government) ...... not saying it's good / bad / right / wrong but that's the latest reason why JC was accused ... that and his Hezbollah / Hamas connections ......
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:19 am

EliteKiller wrote:
UFGN wrote: False allegations of antisemitism stem from that. And it's bollocks. Condemning Israel for its treatment of Palestinians is nothing to do with antisemitism


But that's not how the World works ....

Try condemning all 'blacks' for committing a disproportionately high number of knife crimes, even though that's a fact ... see how long before you are labelled a racist ...



You don't get it at all

Separation of citizen and state. To condemn the actions of the state of Israel is not to condemn Jews or even all Israelis. Oh no it isn't.

-Applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.


By the way, that ones the problem right there. My problem with Israel is it's treatment of Palestinians and Gazans.... their apalling living conditions and the arrest of children by soldiers.

Israel would claim that it's unreasonable to criticise them for that. They get to write the definition of reasonable behaviour. f**k that.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:22 am

Phil71 wrote:He is a vocal supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah. He has attended their rallies, has been working closely with their people for decades.

Both organisations want the destruction of Israel and all Jews to be expelled from the region.

That's enough for me.


I guess Trump is an antisemite then? Considering his unequal support for Putin, who in turn supports Iran?
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:25 am

UFGN wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
UFGN wrote: False allegations of antisemitism stem from that. And it's bollocks. Condemning Israel for its treatment of Palestinians is nothing to do with antisemitism


But that's not how the World works ....

Try condemning all 'blacks' for committing a disproportionately high number of knife crimes, even though that's a fact ... see how long before you are labelled a racist ...



You don't get it at all

Separation of citizen and state. To condemn the actions of the state of Israel is not to condemn Jews or even all Israelis. Oh no it isn't.


Giving openly vocal and political support to paramilitary groups who are launching rockets at Israeli citizens though (who are Jews!)

That' pretty bad, wouldn't you say? For a man who is leader of the opposition in the UK Parliament I mean.
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