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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:08 pm

Also why on earth couldn't they break with tradition and go to France to do it this year alongside the other counties

Would have been a far better gesture
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Re: British Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:15 pm

UFGN wrote:Also why on earth couldn't they break with tradition and go to France to do it this year alongside the other counties

Would have been a far better gesture


We got the german PM to be over here and lay a wreath. I like that that is in essence an apology for all the harm and loss they caused to this country.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:20 am

When will may admit defeat and just go?

She's been a useless PM.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:51 am

Phil71 wrote:When will may admit defeat and just go?

She's been a useless PM.


It's not a matter of when but how.

Boris or JRM are just waiting in the wings to take over.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Pudpop » Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:23 pm

Phil71 wrote:When will may admit defeat and just go?

She's been a useless PM.


Doubt it'll happen before there's a big Brexit development. No-one will want to be PM when it's announced there's no deal or something like that, they'll rather want to pick up the pieces afterwards
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:54 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:
Phil71 wrote:When will may admit defeat and just go?

She's been a useless PM.


It's not a matter of when but how.

Boris or JRM are just waiting in the wings to take over.


Boris and JRM have proven how fkin spineless they are.

JRM won't make a run for Prime minister because with his profile he'll be torn to shreds as a candidate.

As for Boris, he ran a mile when Leave won, doesn't fancy the job, he's happy to bellow out rousing speeches from the stands but when it comes to grinding out some hard work to make it happen, he's not interested.

No one wants the job.

Hardcore remainer's can't run because they'll basically drop the referendum result and Brexiteers either don't want the job or won't get the backing of the Conservative Remainer's.

May only got the backing of the party and the people because she was a Remainer who spoke like a Leaver, she had the backing of Remainer's and the Leaver's fell for her commitment speeches for Brexit.

May is the epitome of "Soft Brexit".

Can appeal to both camps but ultimately satisfies no one.
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:57 pm

The latest on Brexit ............

"But in a bid to please Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist Party and Brexiteer MPs, the Prime Minister may have signed up to the possibility of a permanent customs union with the EU, unless a better deal is reached within two years."

:rofll:

Do you remember when I said the deal won't be accepted in Parliament and it'll head to a stand off on the choice of "No deal" or "Remain as the status quo".

.......... well, that's well underway.

Both sides are going for broke, Remain wants this last ditch scenario hoping "No Deal" will never be accepted and Leave don't like the Soft Brexit so are hoping to arm lock Parliament into respecting the triggering of Article 50 and that the public voted to leave.

This is going to get tasty come January.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:14 am

Raab resigns.

The fact that everyone in the EU is delighted with the deal is surely an indicator of how bad it is for the UK.

Surely a vote of no confidence is near.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46219495
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:51 pm

Phil71 wrote:Raab resigns.

The fact that everyone in the EU is delighted with the deal is surely an indicator of how bad it is for the UK.

Surely a vote of no confidence is near.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46219495


She's finished.

The only reason this EU shill is still in the hot seat is because no one else wants to pick up the poison chalice.

I said months ago it was heading for this, Remainer's have moved from "We accept the referendum result" to digging their heels in and now "We want another referendum, we won't accept any deal".

Labour signified this with their change of tact, they are actively looking to block any deal put forward.

Parliament is gridlocked.

There is only one solution, put it back to the people for either full Brexit WTO rules / Canada Plus deal or full Remain.

That is all.

Parliament won't let anything else through and they'll only allow a full leave if the public votes for it as an actual option on the ballot box.

May has let the entire country down by not catching wind months ago what I saw coming, she is stubbornly moving ahead, wasting valuable man hours trying to keep us in the EU via the back door ......... when if she really wants Remain she should just allow this 2nd referendum.

Because if she doesn't what's going to happen when she can't get a deal through by March? Brexiteers are hoping for No Deal and Remain are hoping we default to Remain as status quo.

Just skip the inevitable and take the vote now and act on the result, end of, that will at least have a mandate ffs.

The only reason she won't do it is because she knows if Brexit wins she'll have to sever ties with her beloved EU.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Marsbar100 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:57 pm

Brexit would never win another vote
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:59 pm

There's only one way forward IMO.

Another brexit referendum.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Marsbar100 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:59 pm

The first refenderum was pretty clear, all this really proveds is democracy in the UK doesn't exist but that was known beforehand anyway, I guess all that can be said is a lot of coutnires are a hell of a lot worse when it comes to democracy and at least we dont live there.
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:05 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:The first refenderum was pretty clear, all this really proveds is democracy in the UK doesn't exist but that was known beforehand anyway, I guess all that can be said is a lot of coutnires are a hell of a lot worse when it comes to democracy and at least we dont live there.


It was clear.

But the waters have been muddied so much since that a clear offer needs to be put to the public.

The vote said "Leave" but now they're arguing over the type of Leave.

This would really p*ss remainers off but maybe have a vote stating ..............

WTO / Canada + or Mays deal.

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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:07 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:The first refenderum was pretty clear, all this really proveds is democracy in the UK doesn't exist but that was known beforehand anyway, I guess all that can be said is a lot of coutnires are a hell of a lot worse when it comes to democracy and at least we dont live there.


It has been turned into a political football.

The only way it can be implemented without that is to create some sort of cross-party working. There doesn't need to be a full National Government - the like of which is implemented during a war or whatever, but without cross-party consultation and agreement, nothing will get past a Parliamentary vote.
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:10 pm

Phil71 wrote:There's only one way forward IMO.

Another brexit referendum.


I would say no because it still doesn't answer the angle Remain and May are hanging on and that is "what type of Leave".

I am in favour of having a two answer Leave vote that we can enforce as a country.

Full Leave WTO / Canada + or May's shambles.

You see I'm surprised those idiots over at "Leave" can't find the mental capacity to realise this option would be Checkmate for their side because I believe Canada + would win.

They should be pushing for this but they're not, all Leave do is trumpet the benefits without actually telling us how it would be implemented ............ that is not good enough for the public to get behind, we need clear enforceable choices.
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