theHotHead wrote:OK so I have a question and apologies if it has been asked/answered already.
I voted to Leave the EU because I don't like the idea of an un-elected person/body ruling us and foisting laws onto us that do not benefit us. I am not ignorant to acknowledge that lots of good came from the EU also. I must add, I don't give a shit about the £350m for the NHS or immigration, neither are reasons why I voted to leave.
Now, whist the ballot paper was a simple Remain or Leave vote (They really should have had options in between to better capture what the people wanted) I assumed that, based on the fact the membership to the Single Market was key to the country's prosperity, the so-called soft Brexit was what I expected. Through further conversations it was clear keeping such close ties to the EU would prevent us from making other choices that benefit us. If the price for close ties to the EU are high membership fees and heavily reduced ability to do your own thing, whats the point in leaving the EU !
So then my thoughts moved to hard Brexit. A lot of hot air, scaremongering and waffle has come from Remainers but I see the bottom line as thus; who do we do most of our business with ? I have no doubt that there are many ways around EU membership, like setting up small business functions in EU regions, that won't require wholesale movement of business away from the UK. After all, thats what the US use the UK for, so whats the difference.
What I don't want us to do is weaken our negotiating position but what I think is also clear as day is, there is no way we (the British people) or the EU will get what they want, there are too many opposing views/goals. So, do you cut off your nose to spite your face or do you compromise ? It MUST be you compromise, both sides. There needs to be give and take. But when you have the type of egos that exist in the EU it is hard to see any meaningful compromise coming from them. So at this point I have little confidence in what is about to take place
The problem is that the EU need to give us a bad deal to make an example of us and to deter other countries from attempting to leave ........... the issue they have though is that the UK is one of their biggest markets, we buy from them, not the other way around.
Germany, Italy, France, their manufacturers literally cannot afford to let their Govt's give us a bad deal when it comes to the crunch, the problem is because Theresa May is a Remainer she won't use that position of strength, she's literally handing over all the powers the Brits voted to take back.
Its "we're leaving ....... but we're not" the EU won't let us make the trade deals we want, we still have to follow their laws, we still have penalties if we don't etc etc.
No different to where we are now.
I was open as were you to Soft / Hard Brexit, basically whatever was best for Britain, unlike some I don't do agenda politics or whomever's got the best Twitter account.
But its become painfully obvious the EU won't play ball and they've been allowed to do it because May is an EU puppet, she couldn't even get us a good proposal let alone a good deal.
The British people have been poorly served because we've asked a Remainer who doesn't want to leave, to deliver us from the EU in good order, again as you've said the Remainers have driven voters like yourself to the "Hard Brexit" side because unless your dumb, deaf and blind it doesn't take a genius to see May and the Remainer's of Parliament and the House of Lords are intent on torpedoing our nation to their masters in Brussels.
Its a betrayal of the highest order and they've let us with little choice, if Rees-Mogg and his ilk are the only ones strong willed enough to even bother getting us out in good stead then what choice do we even have .............. but the Left don't care, they'd rather just have another incompetent tw*t in No10 just as long as it serves their agenda, qualified or not and they expect everyone else to go along with it.
