Phil71 wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Phil71 wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Phil71 wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Also, with so many businesses leaving the UK for Europe, what sense does it make for the countries that benefit to grant an extension?
Because the EU want the UK to stay in the EU.
Have you been keeping up with the general consensus outside of the UK? I know I haven't. The EU is not just one single voice. There are other countries that want to leave the EU as well. Why would they vote for an extension? If countries like Germany, Netherlands and France are gaining more business as a result of businesses leaving the UK, why vote for an extension and hope the UK stays? Especially if they have done their homework, weighed up the pros and cons and figured out that they'll be fine without the UK.
The EU have made it clear that they won't renegotiate and that this is the final deal so why extend it to go through the process again? It was painful enough getting all the countries to agree on this one deal. The time for renegotiation was months back.
If they thought they'd be better off without us they wouldn't have entered into any sort of deal negotiations in the first place. They'd have just told us to bugger off with no deal.
As it is they have put an enormous amount of time, effort and money into trying to strike a deal that would enable them to stay as closely tied with us as they can. Why would they do that? Why would they keep entertaining Mrs May for further negotiations and further clarifications? Why would Donald Tusk say that those who initiated brexit deserve a special place in hell?
Donal Tusk is President of the European Council and negotiating is part of the leaving process. As President, of course he wants the UK to stay but I don't know if that's the consensus around Europe. We're still talking about individual countries that have a vote and their own agenda.
What reason could any of those countries have for not wanting the UK to remain as an EU partner?
I know you've said that there's an exodus of companies fleeing to the continent and re-establishing themselves there to a degree that would apparently boost the economies of these countries to such a degree that forcing the UK out would benefit said countries, - but you haven't provided any details of this.
Here are more details.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/17/br ... inning-it/Read the whole article for more details but this is just a snippet.
Leading the exodus of jobs and cash are London’s many investment banks and asset management funds, such as those above, which are expected to send 10,000 jobs and billions of dollars in annual tax revenue overseas. Not far behind the financial services sector is the manufacturing sector, as one recent report shows a second consecutive month of staff cuts in factories across Britain. The technology industry, too, is feeling the pain of Brexit, as founders leave a United Kingdom that has lost its grip on foreign talent and capital. Perhaps the most disconcerting of all is the potential damage to the food services industry, whose farms and processing plants—largely of dairy, eggs, fish, and cereals—rely on a 40 percent EU-born workforce.
But Britain’s job losses are not just about Brexit. While the decision to leave the single market, resurrect tariffs with trade partners, and boot foreign workers has certainly left the U.K. a less desirable place to do business, much of the movement out of the U.K. has been a matter of pro-business reform and repositioning by EU competitors. The biggest winners of Brexit—Dublin, Frankfurt, and Paris—have proved to be at least as effective at pulling business in as the Brexiteers have been at pushing business out.
As said, if countries like Germany, France and Netherlands gain from Brexit, why vote to extend it for us? I need more details on what those specific countries lose if we leave and considering it's been two years since we voted to leave, have those countries already come to terms with us leaving?
