British Politics

[DiamondGooner]

But I'm quite sure I just made it clear that JC wouldn't actually achieve 26pc corp tax

I'm very sure I said that

But you took that one issue and ran with it

It's official Labour party policy, so how can you say 'he won't achieve it' ... are you saying all party policy is fake? or is it just this one?

Frankly I don't believe or trust any of them, however the one most likely to do the more crazy things he comes out with is JC, no one can deny he's a very principled man ... that might play well to the left, but if it were ever to happen it would send the UK into meltdown ....

I'm going to keep saying this until I'm blue in the f***ing face

Look at what's happening around you

What's ACTUALLY HAPPENING

For f**k sake there are no it's or buts about how shit THIS government is RIGHT NOW!!!

No denying that but I would suggest looking at how sh*t the opposition is. Think Michael Foot level of Opposition, completely unelectable.

This was my point no matter what side of the fence your on neither side is inspired.

How is it that these people are supposed to lead this country yet look at the state of British politics.

Its beyond not funny, I actually think the Conservatives wouldn't half mind losing as they'd rather someone else get on with the hard work that is Brexit.

Also the only reason Brexit is so much hard work is because they're trying everything they can to keep us in Europe via proxy.

The whole things a shambles.

[UFGN]

But I'm quite sure I just made it clear that JC wouldn't actually achieve 26pc corp tax

I'm very sure I said that

But you took that one issue and ran with it

It's official Labour party policy, so how can you say 'he won't achieve it' ... are you saying all party policy is fake? or is it just this one?

Frankly I don't believe or trust any of them, however the one most likely to do the more crazy things he comes out with is JC, no one can deny he's a very principled man ... that might play well to the left, but if it were ever to happen it would send the UK into meltdown ....

I'm going to keep saying this until I'm blue in the f***ing face

Look at what's happening around you

What's ACTUALLY HAPPENING

For f**k sake there are no it's or buts about how shit THIS government is RIGHT NOW!!!

No denying that but I would suggest looking at how sh*t the opposition is. Think Michael Foot level of Opposition, completely unelectable.

This was my point no matter what side of the fence your on neither side is inspired.

How is it that these people are supposed to lead this country yet look at the state of British politics.

Its beyond not funny, I actually think the Conservatives wouldn't half mind losing as they'd rather someone else get on with the hard work that is Brexit.

Also the only reason Brexit is so much hard work is because they're trying everything they can to keep us in Europe via proxy.

The whole things a shambles.

I'm getting a bit sick of "remainers" getting the blame for this

One of the many, many reasons I voted to remain is because I knew the process and end result of leaving would be a f***ing shambles

You don't get to say that if if if you managed to achieve the 5% likelihood of a "clean break" then maybe maybe maybe it might be better than when we were in

Brexiteers have f***ked up. Own it.

[LMAO]

Brexiteers have f***ked up. Own it.

Would be best to renege on Brexit and pretend nothing happened tbh

[EliteKiller]

I'm going to keep saying this until I'm blue in the f***ing face

Look at what's happening around you

What's ACTUALLY HAPPENING

For f**k sake there are no it's or buts about how shit THIS government is RIGHT NOW!!!

But right there is the problem ....

No denying the current lot are a feckin' disaster in so many ways it's hard to count ... just about the only good thing they've achieved is getting a handle on the national debt, that's vital for future generations ....

Bring in the other lot and that one 'good thing' will go straight out the window, with no guarantee that anything else will get better ....

It's like replacing your broken down 2001 Ford Escort with a broken down 2001 Honda Civic .... you're still not getting anywhere ...

If you ignore the fact this current lot are so crap (which I appreciate you can't) you wouldn't elect JC in a million years .... him winning by default would/will be just as big, if not bigger, of a shambles than we have now ......

We need a better option ... we just don't have one .....

[DiamondGooner]

But I'm quite sure I just made it clear that JC wouldn't actually achieve 26pc corp tax

I'm very sure I said that

But you took that one issue and ran with it

It's official Labour party policy, so how can you say 'he won't achieve it' ... are you saying all party policy is fake? or is it just this one?

Frankly I don't believe or trust any of them, however the one most likely to do the more crazy things he comes out with is JC, no one can deny he's a very principled man ... that might play well to the left, but if it were ever to happen it would send the UK into meltdown ....

I'm going to keep saying this until I'm blue in the f***ing face

Look at what's happening around you

What's ACTUALLY HAPPENING

For f**k sake there are no it's or buts about how shit THIS government is RIGHT NOW!!!

No denying that but I would suggest looking at how sh*t the opposition is. Think Michael Foot level of Opposition, completely unelectable.

This was my point no matter what side of the fence your on neither side is inspired.

How is it that these people are supposed to lead this country yet look at the state of British politics.

Its beyond not funny, I actually think the Conservatives wouldn't half mind losing as they'd rather someone else get on with the hard work that is Brexit.

Also the only reason Brexit is so much hard work is because they're trying everything they can to keep us in Europe via proxy.

The whole things a shambles.

I'm getting a bit sick of "remainers" getting the blame for this

One of the many, many reasons I voted to remain is because I knew the process and end result of leaving would be a f***ing shambles

You don't get to say that if if if you managed to achieve the 5% likelihood of a "clean break" then maybe maybe maybe it might be better than when we were in

Brexiteers have f***ked up. Own it.

Sorry but that's BS.

Because we're not getting a clean Brexit how do you know how we would of fared if we did?

I'm not blaming Remainer's as in the voters, I'm saying you have a Parliament and House of Lords who are not prepared to deliver a full Brexit so they're making a complete fkin hash of it.

If we had a "hard" Brexit and England went down the pan I'd be saying the same as you, but that's not what we're going to get, we're getting a half arsed, Brexit by proxy where we're not in but we're kind of out and its a mess.

People who wanted Brexit did not ask for this and if I was a hardcore Brexiteer I would not be taking responsibility for this at all, in fact I think your comment is completely unfair and wrong.

......... in fact I'm going to say it, Remainer's have put us in this situation, they've refused to accept the result, they've refused to let the Government pass the bills they need to get on with it, the House of Lords are trying to mutiny every bill their given unashamedly against the public vote.

Me personally I could give a fk which way we voted, I didn't vote and by the looks of it I won't be voting anytime in the next 10 years.

All I care about is getting a result which is best for the economy that I have to work and earn in.

Would Brexit of worked, fk if I know because we're not getting it.

We're in ........ but we're out.

What that's going to mean I don't know, but you don't get to blame Brexiteers when a Remainer Prime Minister is not even trying to deliver it.

EDIT:
In fact I'd urge you to read this, this is what Brexiteer's think about Theresa May's workings on Brexit, Rees Mogg basically saying he won't vote for it.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... avid-jones

[UFGN]

But I'm quite sure I just made it clear that JC wouldn't actually achieve 26pc corp tax

I'm very sure I said that

But you took that one issue and ran with it

It's official Labour party policy, so how can you say 'he won't achieve it' ... are you saying all party policy is fake? or is it just this one?

Frankly I don't believe or trust any of them, however the one most likely to do the more crazy things he comes out with is JC, no one can deny he's a very principled man ... that might play well to the left, but if it were ever to happen it would send the UK into meltdown ....

I'm going to keep saying this until I'm blue in the f***ing face

Look at what's happening around you

What's ACTUALLY HAPPENING

For f**k sake there are no it's or buts about how shit THIS government is RIGHT NOW!!!

No denying that but I would suggest looking at how sh*t the opposition is. Think Michael Foot level of Opposition, completely unelectable.

This was my point no matter what side of the fence your on neither side is inspired.

How is it that these people are supposed to lead this country yet look at the state of British politics.

Its beyond not funny, I actually think the Conservatives wouldn't half mind losing as they'd rather someone else get on with the hard work that is Brexit.

Also the only reason Brexit is so much hard work is because they're trying everything they can to keep us in Europe via proxy.

The whole things a shambles.

I'm getting a bit sick of "remainers" getting the blame for this

One of the many, many reasons I voted to remain is because I knew the process and end result of leaving would be a f***ing shambles

You don't get to say that if if if you managed to achieve the 5% likelihood of a "clean break" then maybe maybe maybe it might be better than when we were in

Brexiteers have f***ked up. Own it.

Sorry but that's BS.

Because we're not getting a clean Brexit how do you know how we would of fared if we did?

Sorry but stopped reading there

As I already said, it was never going to happen

The only people who didn't understand that are a minority of brexiteers

I don't believe that leaving the EU would have ever been the Right thing to do. But if you believed that leaving the EU would be better, but only if a very particular type of outcome was achieved after negotiations involving hundreds of people who don't agree with you, including reps from 27 other countries, then how foolish is that?

[Royal Gooner]

Brexiteers have f***ked up. Own it.

Would be best to renege on Brexit and pretend nothing happened tbh

Can't happen. You'd need to get Parliament to repeal the Brexit legislation and then get all EU members to agree to stop the process and let us stay on our better terms. I imagine the Poles and lithuanians will just block that.

This whole thing has to be a plan from a remainer PM to make the terms for us as unacceptable to the people who voted to leave as possible.

[DiamondGooner]

Its all out in the open now ..........

May is a Remainer and has strung us along by pretending to deliver Brexit when she had no intention of doing it, but was basically a wolf in sheep's clothing.

What annoy's me more that In or Out of Europe is this, Parliament gave the people a vote and now because they didn't like the result is trying to subvert the will of the people.

That is not democracy.

When they fail to deliver Brexit there will be mass protests, May needs to be fired and replaced by Rees-Mogg.

I think at this moment I'm for Brexit more than I've ever been based on the need to deliver democracy, sick of our politicians not working for us, they are our employees ffs!!!

[Sims]

the brexit campaign was farcical from the very off. should never have been up for vote

democracy or not if not going through with brexit is the best idea for the country (financially etc) then democracy can f**k itself

why should we sabotage the country just because of a public vote in which 90% (from both sides) were wholly uninformed about it to begin with. would be ludicrous

[Jedi]

the brexit campaign was farcical from the very off. should never have been up for vote

democracy or not if not going through with brexit is the best idea for the country (financially etc) then democracy can f**k itself

why should we sabotage the country just because of a public vote in which 90% (from both sides) were wholly uninformed about it to begin with. would be ludicrous

Because that would set up a bad precedent that could be used to justify an authoritarian goverment in the future?


On a side note, why did people want Brexit in the first place?

[UFGN]

May needs to be fired and replaced by Rees-Mogg.

Get a grip

Step away from the Daily Mail

[Sims]

the brexit campaign was farcical from the very off. should never have been up for vote

democracy or not if not going through with brexit is the best idea for the country (financially etc) then democracy can f**k itself

why should we sabotage the country just because of a public vote in which 90% (from both sides) were wholly uninformed about it to begin with. would be ludicrous

Because that would set up a bad precedent that could be used to justify an authoritarian goverment in the future?


On a side note, why did people want Brexit in the first place?

Normal shaped bananas!!!!

[DiamondGooner]

the brexit campaign was farcical from the very off. should never have been up for vote

democracy or not if not going through with brexit is the best idea for the country (financially etc) then democracy can f**k itself

why should we sabotage the country just because of a public vote in which 90% (from both sides) were wholly uninformed about it to begin with. would be ludicrous

Because that would set up a bad precedent that could be used to justify an authoritarian goverment in the future?

Exactly.

Also how do you know if its sabotaging the country or not? how can you bash something if you haven't tried it?

Is Australia fked? America broke? Japan? they're not in the EU.

If it could be proven we'll be screwed then that's one thing but if it can't be then you have no right to suggest it will ........... because lets be honest, your opinion as well as anyone on this forum are wholly unqualified to say whether it would or not.

Tbf ......... is there really apart from bluffs and threats any reason we couldn't re-join the EU?

Also your comment on democracy is horrendous, only a person who's never experienced the unjust nature of a non=democratic country would say such a stupid thing, people have died, spilt blood in their thousands all so you could have a say on your future and that is your attitude?

Its like a rich person saying "Money doesn't matter".

May needs to be fired and replaced by Rees-Mogg.

Get a grip

Step away from the Daily Mail

Theresa May isn't going to deliver Brexit, Rees-Mogg would.

But maybe that's what your worried about?

[UFGN]

the brexit campaign was farcical from the very off. should never have been up for vote

democracy or not if not going through with brexit is the best idea for the country (financially etc) then democracy can f**k itself

why should we sabotage the country just because of a public vote in which 90% (from both sides) were wholly uninformed about it to begin with. would be ludicrous

Because that would set up a bad precedent that could be used to justify an authoritarian goverment in the future?

Exactly.

Also how do you know if its sabotaging the country or not? how can you bash something if you haven't tried it?

Is Australia fked? America broke? Japan? they're not in the EU.

If it could be proven we'll be screwed then that's one thing but if it can't be then you have no right to suggest it will ........... because lets be honest, your opinion as well as anyone on this forum are wholly unqualified to say whether it would or not.

Tbf ......... is there really apart from bluffs and threats any reason we couldn't re-join the EU?

Also your comment on democracy is horrendous, only a person who's never experienced the unjust nature of a non=democratic country would say such a stupid thing, people have died, spilt blood in their thousands all so you could have a say on your future and that is your attitude?

Its like a rich person saying "Money doesn't matter".

May needs to be fired and replaced by Rees-Mogg.

Get a grip

Step away from the Daily Mail

Theresa May isn't going to deliver Brexit, Rees-Mogg would.

But maybe that's what your worried about?

As usual you're being a bog standard reactionary who doesn't understand what you're talking about

If you cared about democracy you wouldn't want Rees-Mogg. A thug and a bully with a long history of anti-democratic practice in parliament

But you only want democracy when it suits you

[Jedi]

If it could be proven we'll be screwed then that's one thing but if it can't be then you have no right to suggest it will ........... because lets be honest, your opinion as well as anyone on this forum are wholly unqualified to say whether it would or not.

I don't think this is a good argument. As far as i know the academic consensus is that Brexit isn't good for the economy of the UK. Also, you don't have to be an economist to have a read on studies/papers on the topic. I will be the first to admit i haven't done so because it's tedious work and Brexit doesn't really concern me but I've talked to people who have and I've heard nothing good.

Tbf ......... is there really apart from bluffs and threats any reason we couldn't re-join the EU?

This is not how the world works, you can't leave and rejoin and expect the same deal. This is similar to Trump ending the Iran deal. You kind of start to lose credibility and countries don't want to make deals with you knowing you will go back on your word.

Another point i would make is that most brexiters overestimate UKs position. The only bargaining chip they really have is the "no deal" threat. But since that would badly hurt both sides i would compare it to nuclear parity. Both sides know it would be catastrophic and will call each others bluff if attempted.