British Politics

[UFGN]

So no answer to

The Tories have been in power for TWELVE YEARS. Homelessness has DOUBLED on their watch. Although its true that Labour could have done more, this is squarely on the Tories. Its funny how you say "spending money is not the answer"...... but not spending money has led to this, so square that circle.

These solutions which dont involve spending money..... id love to hear them in detail. Id also love to hear why, after 12 years, they haven't been put in place.

The reason is there is no answer. You know your position is indefensible.

I gave you the answer.
The Tories do not see the sense in spending tax payer money to mend the roof whilst it's raining.
They SHOULD be doing a whole lot more in the areas that really matter - and it's those areas that NEITHER the Tories or Labour address.
Sure Labour spends to stick a plaster on a whole number of societal issues, but that is most certainly a misuse of money.

Now kindly answer my question.
Why do people become homeless in the UK?
This is really not a party politics issue, despite your partisan drum beating.

People become homeless most frequently because of;

Drug addiction, funding for the treatment of which has been cut by the Tories

Because of a lack of social housing, contributed to by both sides but hugely and catastrophically by the Tories implementing right to buy, which has been a disaster

Because of cuts to housing benefit brought in by the Tories

Because of a lack of support for newly released prisoners, Tories twelve years in power

Because of a lack of support for the mentally ill, Tories twelve years in power

Because of the rise of casual working in the UK, leading to people not having guaranteed hours. This leads them to not always have enough money to pay the rent, while being conveniently still officially "employed", and not entitled to any benefits, a situation caused by....... the Tories

I've bolded the only area where you touched on an underlying issue - imo.
Everything else you talked about relates to investment to deal with rising societal issues - which is not a cure, just an ever increasing black hole in which to dump tax payer money.

You utterly failed to put you partisan nonsense to one side, which tells me you actually do not care one jot about the homeless, only the political points you can score from their suffering. You actually sound like one of those ghastly Westminster politicians begging for votes by any means necessary.

Let me give you some REAL solutions:

1) deal with family breakdowns - especially divorce - and equalising/standardising the law to stop fueding parents from using their kids as weapons against each other.
2) securing our borders
3) clamping down on drug dealers - zero tolerance and enhanced powers for police
4) significant jail sentences especially for drug offenders but also for other crimes
5) reclaiming a much higher moral standard in this country
6) significant change to our educational curriculum - FAMILY values over the BS liberal nonsense we have today.
7) reintroduction of countrywide apprentiship programmes and the scale up on British manufacturing
8) Business investment countrywide - removing the imbalance between regions
9) REDUCE benefits further and completely eliminate any financial incentive for having children
10) Added responsibility for corporations - extending workers rights.

These are (some of) the real issues that need addressing - your solution is like putting more and more buckets under a leaking (and worsening) roof instead of fixing the damn roof. I'd like to fix the problem, you'd like to pay for the problem.

Quite simply we need to educate and train our young people and teach them about family and morality. These are longer term and difficult - and alien to a liberal. They never want to talk about the REAL issues that lead our young people to despair and a lack of self worth. They just want the Gubm't to pay for the utter chaos they create with their BS social programs. We're facilitating generations of lazy, unskilled and immoral people and that needs to change. When it does, we'll have MORE marriages, less broken homes, less single parent families, and children that grow into adulthood in homes that facilitate their sense of self worth and contribution to society.

THEN we'll reduce homelessness AND drastically reduce the cost of it.

Notice I didn't mention Tories or Labour once in the above - you might want to try it out because right now you're part of the problem of division and hatred in this country.

Youre not just missing the point, youre an absolute disgrace.

Homelessness has doubled under this government. It is their fault.

Frankly, youre a bit weird.

Pretty lame response.
Once again you adressed none of the actual issues.

You simply have a warped worldview. So theres no point in bothering with you.

[jayramfootball]

So no answer to

The Tories have been in power for TWELVE YEARS. Homelessness has DOUBLED on their watch. Although its true that Labour could have done more, this is squarely on the Tories. Its funny how you say "spending money is not the answer"...... but not spending money has led to this, so square that circle.

These solutions which dont involve spending money..... id love to hear them in detail. Id also love to hear why, after 12 years, they haven't been put in place.

The reason is there is no answer. You know your position is indefensible.

I gave you the answer.
The Tories do not see the sense in spending tax payer money to mend the roof whilst it's raining.
They SHOULD be doing a whole lot more in the areas that really matter - and it's those areas that NEITHER the Tories or Labour address.
Sure Labour spends to stick a plaster on a whole number of societal issues, but that is most certainly a misuse of money.

Now kindly answer my question.
Why do people become homeless in the UK?
This is really not a party politics issue, despite your partisan drum beating.

People become homeless most frequently because of;

Drug addiction, funding for the treatment of which has been cut by the Tories

Because of a lack of social housing, contributed to by both sides but hugely and catastrophically by the Tories implementing right to buy, which has been a disaster

Because of cuts to housing benefit brought in by the Tories

Because of a lack of support for newly released prisoners, Tories twelve years in power

Because of a lack of support for the mentally ill, Tories twelve years in power

Because of the rise of casual working in the UK, leading to people not having guaranteed hours. This leads them to not always have enough money to pay the rent, while being conveniently still officially "employed", and not entitled to any benefits, a situation caused by....... the Tories

I've bolded the only area where you touched on an underlying issue - imo.
Everything else you talked about relates to investment to deal with rising societal issues - which is not a cure, just an ever increasing black hole in which to dump tax payer money.

You utterly failed to put you partisan nonsense to one side, which tells me you actually do not care one jot about the homeless, only the political points you can score from their suffering. You actually sound like one of those ghastly Westminster politicians begging for votes by any means necessary.

Let me give you some REAL solutions:

1) deal with family breakdowns - especially divorce - and equalising/standardising the law to stop fueding parents from using their kids as weapons against each other.
2) securing our borders
3) clamping down on drug dealers - zero tolerance and enhanced powers for police
4) significant jail sentences especially for drug offenders but also for other crimes
5) reclaiming a much higher moral standard in this country
6) significant change to our educational curriculum - FAMILY values over the BS liberal nonsense we have today.
7) reintroduction of countrywide apprentiship programmes and the scale up on British manufacturing
8) Business investment countrywide - removing the imbalance between regions
9) REDUCE benefits further and completely eliminate any financial incentive for having children
10) Added responsibility for corporations - extending workers rights.

These are (some of) the real issues that need addressing - your solution is like putting more and more buckets under a leaking (and worsening) roof instead of fixing the damn roof. I'd like to fix the problem, you'd like to pay for the problem.

Quite simply we need to educate and train our young people and teach them about family and morality. These are longer term and difficult - and alien to a liberal. They never want to talk about the REAL issues that lead our young people to despair and a lack of self worth. They just want the Gubm't to pay for the utter chaos they create with their BS social programs. We're facilitating generations of lazy, unskilled and immoral people and that needs to change. When it does, we'll have MORE marriages, less broken homes, less single parent families, and children that grow into adulthood in homes that facilitate their sense of self worth and contribution to society.

THEN we'll reduce homelessness AND drastically reduce the cost of it.

Notice I didn't mention Tories or Labour once in the above - you might want to try it out because right now you're part of the problem of division and hatred in this country.

Youre not just missing the point, youre an absolute disgrace.

Homelessness has doubled under this government. It is their fault.

Frankly, youre a bit weird.

Pretty lame response.
Once again you adressed none of the actual issues.

You simply have a warped worldview. So theres no point in bothering with you.

The irony.

[UFGN]

All you right wing boys queuing up to defend the Tories, saying its not their fault yadayada

This is your time! Your boys have been in power for twelve years!

If its not their fault then why exactly has street homelessness coincidentally risen by 165% on their watch?

Why exactly have homeless in temporary housing risen by 75% on their watch?

If their influence has been to cause this surely you must concede that they have been a disaster

Or maybe its a coincidence that job security has been butchered, housing benefit butchered, and tada!! Magically all these homeless people just materialised!

[jayramfootball]

All you right wing boys queuing up to defend the Tories, saying its not their fault yadayada

This is your time! Your boys have been in power for twelve years!

Homelessness is not a right wing/left wing issue. Your 'right wing boys' comment just makes you sound like a partisan hack.

If its not their fault then why exactly has street homelessness coincidentally risen by 165% on their watch?

Because more people are becoming homeless.

Why exactly have homeless in temporary housing risen by 75% on their watch?

Because more people are becoming homeless

If their influence has been to cause this surely you must concede that they have been a disaster

No political party is the cause of homelessness

Or maybe its a coincidence that job security has been butchered, housing benefit butchered, and tada!! Magically all these homeless people just materialised!

It is a common assumption that job security has decreased in recent years. But a new study finds little has changed in two decades.
Spend any amount of time reading recruitment news stories, and you may get the impression that work in the UK has become less secure. But is this a misconception?

A new report by the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD) claims that little has changed about the way we work in the past twenty years.

“Megatrends: Is work really becoming more insecure?” documents the way Britons are working today. The CIPD used multiple data sources, including their own figures and official government statistics from the ONS.

For the purposes of the study, all forms of non-permanent work (temping, zero-hours contracts, and self-employment) were deemed “unsecured”. However, the report does differentiate between each group – and concedes that some are more susceptible to exploitation than others. The CIPD found that the “very significant majority” of freelancers had chosen their own career path. In contrast, 35 per cent of zero-hours contractors were not content with their employment status.

The CIPD found that just 20 per cent of Britons currently work in unsecured roles. The figure suggests little change in job insecurity since 1998.

In addition, under-employment (those in work but who want more hours) has barely risen across the same period. Under-employment sits at 7 per cent at present – matching the 2002 rate. Under-employment temporarily spiked to ten per cent in 2011 in the wake of the global financial crash. It has since re-adjusted to a normal rate. And aspects of working culture have perhaps influenced the numbers, too. Today, with a stronger focus on work-life balance, it may be that some workers on low hours prefer their arrangement.

Your argument seems to be that the Tories are not paying out more tax payer money to DEAL with homelessness - that's true (and I agree with that approach). That is NOT the same as the Tories CAUSING homelessness.

The causes, in part, are as I have already explained to you - and require different solutions to just splurging tax payer cash on the issue as it gets worse.

Crack on with your partisan BS, though.
I am not even a Tory supporter, but I recognise a political hack whose only interest is party political points scoring when I see one.

[UFGN]

All you right wing boys queuing up to defend the Tories, saying its not their fault yadayada

This is your time! Your boys have been in power for twelve years!

Homelessness is not a right wing/left wing issue. Your 'right wing boys' comment just makes you sound like a partisan hack.

If its not their fault then why exactly has street homelessness coincidentally risen by 165% on their watch?

Because more people are becoming homeless.

Why exactly have homeless in temporary housing risen by 75% on their watch?

Because more people are becoming homeless

If their influence has been to cause this surely you must concede that they have been a disaster

No political party is the cause of homelessness

Or maybe its a coincidence that job security has been butchered, housing benefit butchered, and tada!! Magically all these homeless people just materialised!

It is a common assumption that job security has decreased in recent years. But a new study finds little has changed in two decades.
Spend any amount of time reading recruitment news stories, and you may get the impression that work in the UK has become less secure. But is this a misconception?

A new report by the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD) claims that little has changed about the way we work in the past twenty years.

“Megatrends: Is work really becoming more insecure?” documents the way Britons are working today. The CIPD used multiple data sources, including their own figures and official government statistics from the ONS.

For the purposes of the study, all forms of non-permanent work (temping, zero-hours contracts, and self-employment) were deemed “unsecured”. However, the report does differentiate between each group – and concedes that some are more susceptible to exploitation than others. The CIPD found that the “very significant majority” of freelancers had chosen their own career path. In contrast, 35 per cent of zero-hours contractors were not content with their employment status.

The CIPD found that just 20 per cent of Britons currently work in unsecured roles. The figure suggests little change in job insecurity since 1998.

In addition, under-employment (those in work but who want more hours) has barely risen across the same period. Under-employment sits at 7 per cent at present – matching the 2002 rate. Under-employment temporarily spiked to ten per cent in 2011 in the wake of the global financial crash. It has since re-adjusted to a normal rate. And aspects of working culture have perhaps influenced the numbers, too. Today, with a stronger focus on work-life balance, it may be that some workers on low hours prefer their arrangement.

Your argument seems to be that the Tories are not paying out more tax payer money to DEAL with homelessness - that's true (and I agree with that approach). That is NOT the same as the Tories CAUSING homelessness.

The causes, in part, are as I have already explained to you - and require different solutions to just splurging tax payer cash on the issue as it gets worse.

Crack on with your partisan BS, though.
I am not even a Tory supporter, but I recognise a political hack whose only interest is party political points scoring when I see one.

You havent got a clue

f***ing come out with "because more people are becoming homeless" as an answer..... what are you a child?

Job security in terms of reliability of hours has deteriorated massively in recent years. If you dont want to accept that stone cold fact, then you are partisan.

Your arrogant smugness in saying that you support cuts to benefits and want more cuts, as people suffer...... get the f**k out of here!

[jayramfootball]

All you right wing boys queuing up to defend the Tories, saying its not their fault yadayada

This is your time! Your boys have been in power for twelve years!

Homelessness is not a right wing/left wing issue. Your 'right wing boys' comment just makes you sound like a partisan hack.

If its not their fault then why exactly has street homelessness coincidentally risen by 165% on their watch?

Because more people are becoming homeless.

Why exactly have homeless in temporary housing risen by 75% on their watch?

Because more people are becoming homeless

If their influence has been to cause this surely you must concede that they have been a disaster

No political party is the cause of homelessness

Or maybe its a coincidence that job security has been butchered, housing benefit butchered, and tada!! Magically all these homeless people just materialised!

It is a common assumption that job security has decreased in recent years. But a new study finds little has changed in two decades.
Spend any amount of time reading recruitment news stories, and you may get the impression that work in the UK has become less secure. But is this a misconception?

A new report by the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD) claims that little has changed about the way we work in the past twenty years.

“Megatrends: Is work really becoming more insecure?” documents the way Britons are working today. The CIPD used multiple data sources, including their own figures and official government statistics from the ONS.

For the purposes of the study, all forms of non-permanent work (temping, zero-hours contracts, and self-employment) were deemed “unsecured”. However, the report does differentiate between each group – and concedes that some are more susceptible to exploitation than others. The CIPD found that the “very significant majority” of freelancers had chosen their own career path. In contrast, 35 per cent of zero-hours contractors were not content with their employment status.

The CIPD found that just 20 per cent of Britons currently work in unsecured roles. The figure suggests little change in job insecurity since 1998.

In addition, under-employment (those in work but who want more hours) has barely risen across the same period. Under-employment sits at 7 per cent at present – matching the 2002 rate. Under-employment temporarily spiked to ten per cent in 2011 in the wake of the global financial crash. It has since re-adjusted to a normal rate. And aspects of working culture have perhaps influenced the numbers, too. Today, with a stronger focus on work-life balance, it may be that some workers on low hours prefer their arrangement.

Your argument seems to be that the Tories are not paying out more tax payer money to DEAL with homelessness - that's true (and I agree with that approach). That is NOT the same as the Tories CAUSING homelessness.

The causes, in part, are as I have already explained to you - and require different solutions to just splurging tax payer cash on the issue as it gets worse.

Crack on with your partisan BS, though.
I am not even a Tory supporter, but I recognise a political hack whose only interest is party political points scoring when I see one.

You havent got a clue

f***ing come out with "because more people are becoming homeless" as an answer..... what are you a child?

Job security in terms of reliability of hours has deteriorated massively in recent years. If you dont want to accept that stone cold fact, then you are partisan.

Your arrogant smugness in saying that you support cuts to benefits and want more cuts, as people suffer...... get the f**k out of here!

Job Security - I gave you the actual study summary.
Please don't pretend you care about people suffering. It's blatantly obvious you only care about exploiting suffering for political ends. If that were not the case, you'd have engaged on the actual issues, but you didn't.

[UFGN]

Jayram you are a nutcase.

You have no clue whats going on around you.

I work in a foodbank for free, doing auditing for them in my spare time.....

but youre right, for me its just political, even though I hold no political office and never wish to.

I don't care about the homeless, I just get kicks out of chatting to numpties who think benefits should be cut further

I weep for your mother.

[Rockape]

I love UFGN’s debating style!

[jayramfootball]

Jayram you are a nutcase.

You have no clue whats going on around you.

I work in a foodbank for free, doing auditing for them in my spare time.....

but youre right, for me its just political, even though I hold no political office and never wish to.

I don't care about the homeless, I just get kicks out of chatting to numpties who think benefits should be cut further

I weep for your mother.

Sure you do.
Lose argument, attempt to take moral high ground.

[UFGN]

Jayram you are a nutcase.

You have no clue whats going on around you.

I work in a foodbank for free, doing auditing for them in my spare time.....

but youre right, for me its just political, even though I hold no political office and never wish to.

I don't care about the homeless, I just get kicks out of chatting to numpties who think benefits should be cut further

I weep for your mother.

Sure you do.
Lose argument, attempt to take moral high ground.

If I do lose an argument I'll be sure to take your advice

But I don't need to take the moral high ground against you do I? If I stood in a canyon id still overlook you while you campaign to make the poor poorer

Ive no idea why you find it so odd that I do a little voluntary work

[VCC]

Hey dudes homelessness poverty the wealthy devide, is a worldwide problem.
Until greed is taken out of society and wealth is shared this devide will continue to grow, if the uk is anything like NZ or most democratic places you will find the middle class is taxed the f**k out of.
Whilst the wealthiest in terms of tax is constantly growing its wealth.
The wealthy throw a few tax deductible crumbs to the peasants and alls good.
Fact is world wide there is no need to have any homeless or starving people, take religion and greed out of society, then take learned behavior such as racism bigotry homophobia and insert others as you wish there is more than enough wealth to go around.
I would be more worried about the world having to produce this said wealth because it's all just a scheme and we are all puppets propping up a few world wide ass wipes that have no care for society
And there are some who have made their way from nothing but I will tell anybody this if you have more money than you can do any imaginary thing in a day you have too much money, and there are a number of people now in that category world wide. That is because they produce a huge percentage of wealth out of interest than the average person the tax playing feild looks after them whilst holding middle class back.
Each day more peeps in the middle class drop off while the wealthy leaches get richer
For the record me and my mrs are considered wealthy, although just, we both work hard and very long hours, we open our house to young people in need when required for no payment ,we do this because of our back grounds being from very low economic parts of society and in my case out right gang warfare .we are both on school boards of trustees and I spend at least two days of my four day work rotation working on projects such as school houses play grounds and such, thing is until governments put their own party agendas aside and actually take a personal hard look in the mirror nothing will change.

Good luck lol
The world needs to work together, global warming is just a smoke scene for the whole world to communicate a change in fuels for the sake of wealth for a few, in a world with more than a billion years we have data for the last 100 years calling climate change.a 100 years in a planet that has been through multiple changes lol
We build nuclear plants without being able to get rid of waste now we want to fill the world with used vehicle batteries,
In NZ we effect the world so called green house by .01% yet we are getting rid of coal fire boilers that keep multiple industries alive, closing gas fields to fire boilers by f***ing wood chips my god how do people vote for any brain dead politician when most have no life skills no take on reality and a mind on their pocket

[Phil71]

Over half of the people registered as homeless in London and the SE are not British nationals.

They come from all over Europe mostly.

[jayramfootball]

Jayram you are a nutcase.

You have no clue whats going on around you.

I work in a foodbank for free, doing auditing for them in my spare time.....

but youre right, for me its just political, even though I hold no political office and never wish to.

I don't care about the homeless, I just get kicks out of chatting to numpties who think benefits should be cut further

I weep for your mother.

Sure you do.
Lose argument, attempt to take moral high ground.

If I do lose an argument I'll be sure to take your advice

But I don't need to take the moral high ground against you do I? If I stood in a canyon id still overlook you while you campaign to make the poor poorer

Ive no idea why you find it so odd that I do a little voluntary work

I think the best place for you would be in a canyon - preferably the Grand Canyon. We might not be able to hear you from down there.

[DiamondGooner]

As per usual the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Its true not all homelessness is to do with the Gov't, idividuals who just can't handle life in that way, being responsible, paying bills etc, do too many drugs and alcohol and just live a low standard of life, some of them have mental issues, some drug abusers, some emotionally damaged people or people who got unlucky and had no family support.

Family support is a big one, to think people can just form from wild teenagers into mortgage or rent having individuals out on their own with no financial support or advice from their family is skewed, there's been a good couple of times since the age of 16 that I needed some assisstance from family to do with living arrangements although I did it mostly on my own.

However the other side is that yes, Gov't policies on work and housing certainly do have an effect on people being homeless or not, the thousands if not millions of people in Council housing and who are on benefits are directly effected by the Gov'ts policies, they are literally living in Gov't owned homes so of course they are directly effected by their decisions ............. the Gov't for those people are effectively their landlords.

[EliteKiller]

Not worth arguing with UFGN he just gets the posts that rip his argument apart deleted ... it's why this site has become a joke and is now ranked nowhere amongst top football sites (bit like our team). If you're not one of the 'gang' you're just wasting your breath ...deleting posts that disagree with you? that's truly pathetic ....

We've seen decent poster after decent poster give up ... I used to wonder why? now I know.

Before it inevitably gets deleted - UFGN is the classic woke - offended by everything but no answers for anything - I serve in a soup kitchen therefore all Tories are c**** - you just can't debate with that level of stupidity, and on this site it seems you're no longer even allowed to.