British Politics

[Zedie]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48844492

President Donald Trump would want US suppliers to have access to "a fair and balanced marketplace" in NHS Wales as part of any trade deal, the US Ambassador to the UK has said.

Seems perfectly reasonable that they have the same right to bid for NHS contracts as part of a deal, as long as its reciprocal. Indeed, the NHS doesn't have to choose the Americans.

Who runs the NHS?

The Health minister ie Central govt

Who is central govt?

Tories

Who wants to privatise the NHS?

Tories & the Brexit party ie Farage

What does Brexit require?

Deals with other countries

What do the Americans want?

Unfettered access to the NHS

You got the votes for the narrowest of victories off the back of the '350m to the NHS' bus and immigration.

You now have America getting their privatised healthcare talons sharpened to dig into the NHS and their Tupperware ready to fill our supermarkets with hormone/chlorine chicken etc.

Countries like India etc. Are demanding loosening of VISAs for workers and students as any part of a deal so they can replace the EU workers you get rid of.

You're handing it to people that'll take the money at whatever cost because they're willing to no deal us into WTO with no concrete deals in place.

Now you and the other right wingers are shifting position on the NHS like America swooping in wont be a problem.

This is classic Brexiteer behaviour.

[EliteKiller]

Suggest a few posters read up on TTIP and realise that if we're still in the EU when that comes around the chances are that who bids for Government NHS contracts will no longer be a UK decision (guaranteed open market for EU/US companies) ... but hey chuck out the standard project fear bullshit ... thing is nobody's really listening to that anymore.

[UFGN]

Brexit campaign was and is built on soundbites for the thick.

Project fear. Bitch please. Apparently it was going to be easy to sort out a trade deal. Apparently Northern Ireland wouldn't be a problem. Apparently we'd be taking back control of our country..... which apparently means selling it to the Yanks? Apparently I didn't know what I was talking about when I warned it would lead to.a second independence referendum in Scotland

All project fear apparently

Still not heard one positive outcome, one thing that will actually be better after brexit

Apparently taking back control of our country means selling the NHS to the Americans directly instead of having the EU arrange it for us

[Royal Gooner]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48844492

President Donald Trump would want US suppliers to have access to "a fair and balanced marketplace" in NHS Wales as part of any trade deal, the US Ambassador to the UK has said.

Seems perfectly reasonable that they have the same right to bid for NHS contracts as part of a deal, as long as its reciprocal. Indeed, the NHS doesn't have to choose the Americans.

Who runs the NHS?

The Health minister ie Central govt

Who is central govt?

Tories

Who wants to privatise the NHS?

Tories & the Brexit party ie Farage

What does Brexit require?

Deals with other countries

What do the Americans want?

Unfettered access to the NHS

You got the votes for the narrowest of victories off the back of the '350m to the NHS' bus and immigration.

You now have America getting their privatised healthcare talons sharpened to dig into the NHS and their Tupperware ready to fill our supermarkets with hormone/chlorine chicken etc.

Countries like India etc. Are demanding loosening of VISAs for workers and students as any part of a deal so they can replace the EU workers you get rid of.

You're handing it to people that'll take the money at whatever cost because they're willing to no deal us into WTO with no concrete deals in place.

Now you and the other right wingers are shifting position on the NHS like America swooping in wont be a problem.

This is classic Brexiteer behaviour.

The Yanks aren't going to get the right to come into the NHS, they are only getting the right to bid for NHS contracts on an equal basis. The NHS still have the right to refuse their bids. Likewise, even if the chlorine washed chicken did make it onto supermarket shelves, the British public again has the right to refuse to buy them.

India are never going to get the visa system loosened for them because they are some of the worst immigration offenders we have. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/r ... om-the-uk/

[DiamondGooner]

............. on the chicken thing though, with watered down regulations they probably wouldn't even have to let us know on the label.

[EliteKiller]

............. on the chicken thing though, with watered down regulations they probably wouldn't even have to let us know on the label.

They don't now ... a lot of our chicken comes from SE Asia where it's all Chlorine washed (if you're lucky) comes in whole and then gets portioned in Europe at which point it perfectly legally gets labelled as European Chicken ... you can buy a "Traditional English Chicken Pie" labelled as British yet all the chicken could quite legally come from anywhere in the world, as long as the pie was put together in the UK it can be labelled British....

For years the UK has been pushing for labeling that details main ingredient country of origin ... but the French won't have it ... that's because a whole range of French specialty foods Onion Soup, Cassoulet, Coq au Vin, Beef Bourguignon, Foie Gras are all packaged in France and then exported as Product of France, however nearly all are made with cheap core ingredients shipped in from all over the world ... c'est la vie ... once this gets exposed sales will plummet ... so the EU won't allow proper labeling, and nor do the really big companies want it

[Phil71]

And once TTIP comes in, big business will block any sort of food labelling that could be construed as being 'bad for trade'.

And TTIP isn't being brought in by people who voted brexit. It's being brought in by the EU - who are backed by those who voted remain.

So brexit or not, get ready for EU sponsored chlorinated chicken.

[Zedie]

Suggest a few posters read up on TTIP and realise that if we're still in the EU when that comes around the chances are that who bids for Government NHS contracts will no longer be a UK decision (guaranteed open market for EU/US companies) ... but hey chuck out the standard project fear bullshit ... thing is nobody's really listening to that anymore.

How do vetos work again?

[EliteKiller]

Suggest a few posters read up on TTIP and realise that if we're still in the EU when that comes around the chances are that who bids for Government NHS contracts will no longer be a UK decision (guaranteed open market for EU/US companies) ... but hey chuck out the standard project fear bullshit ... thing is nobody's really listening to that anymore.

How do vetos work again?

In the EU they don't .... https://fullfact.org/europe/british-influence-eu-council-ministers/

[Phil71]

Trump has copped the right hump over this Ambassador memo leak affair.

I think the governments failure to remove him straight away has escalated things.

[UFGN]

Trump has copped the right hump over this Ambassador memo leak affair.

I think the governments failure to remove him straight away has escalated things.

It seems the Right are patriotic when it suits them

Our ambassador and Prime Minister are being cunted off by a foreign leader and those who claim to own the exclusive rights to patriotism are lining up against our own people

Should the leak have happened? No. Were the comments clever? No.

Do you support a foreign leader in dictating who our ambassador should be and saying that its good the PM is being replaced? The same leader who BEFORE this incident had already repeatedly criticised our government? f***ing no. The loudmouth c***

[Phil71]

Trump has copped the right hump over this Ambassador memo leak affair.

I think the governments failure to remove him straight away has escalated things.

It seems the Right are patriotic when it suits them

Our ambassador and Prime Minister are being c*** off by a foreign leader and those who claim to own the exclusive rights to patriotism are lining up against our own people

Should the leak have happened? No. Were the comments clever? No.

Do you support a foreign leader in dictating who our ambassador should be and saying that its good the PM is being replaced? The same leader who BEFORE this incident had already repeatedly criticised our government? f***ing no. The loudmouth c***

I don't think Trump is right the way he's going about it, but the Ambassador was pretty stupid to write such stuff down in this day & age.

And as he did write it down, and as he was found out, he should have been immediately removed - for diplomatic reasons.

It doesn't matter whether you agree with the Ambassador's opinion, or whether you like Trump, it was obvious from the start that he would have to leave. He should have been removed, and the government have been stupid to leave him there and allow this to escalate as it has.

[UFGN]

Trump has copped the right hump over this Ambassador memo leak affair.

I think the governments failure to remove him straight away has escalated things.

It seems the Right are patriotic when it suits them

Our ambassador and Prime Minister are being c*** off by a foreign leader and those who claim to own the exclusive rights to patriotism are lining up against our own people

Should the leak have happened? No. Were the comments clever? No.

Do you support a foreign leader in dictating who our ambassador should be and saying that its good the PM is being replaced? The same leader who BEFORE this incident had already repeatedly criticised our government? f***ing no. The loudmouth c***

I don't think Trump is right the way he's going about it, but the Ambassador was pretty stupid to write such stuff down in this day & age.

And as he did write it down, and as he was found out, he should have been immediately removed - for diplomatic reasons.

It doesn't matter whether you agree with the Ambassador's opinion, or whether you like Trump, it was obvious from the start that he would have to leave. He should have been removed, and the government have been stupid to leave him there and allow this to escalate as it has.

Basically roll over because Trump is embarrassed? No.

Its the loudmouth who is escalating it. All the Government have done is nothing. You dont allow a foreign country to dictate who your ambassador is.

He probably will be replaced after May leaves. Until then he should not be, as a matter of principle

[DiamondGooner]

I don't agree tbh.

He should of been removed, as an ambassador to a close ally like America if such damaging comments are leaked, he should be sacked.

Its a matter of national integrity not about giving in to Trump.

Theresa May is really letting it all slip out now that she's going, it just shows where her mind was all this time, I don't think I've ever hated a Prime Minister as much as her, she's a duplicitous fkin cow.

Every word she's uttered since running for office and since has been a lie, she always had one goal and that was to screw us to the EU, her "deal" which wasn't a fkin deal but a withdrawal agreement, would of left us with our pants down and exposed in the EU's pocket for years to come allowing the EU to strip us of our resources until we said uncle.

[EliteKiller]

From a British Politics point of view this looks at first glance like shooting yourself in the foot big time ... but it's not quite what it seems

Nigel Darroch was already out come December ... he's a May posting and would not have survived under a new PM ... leaking these documents allows Boris to get the shit-storm over with and the blame falling squarely on Darroch and May ... this stuff would have come out the second Darroch left anyway, so best to get it done on May's watch ...

Trump has played along stirring the pot but carefully aiming all his tweets at the departing PM and Ambassador ... in comes Boris with his newly appointed Ambassador to be welcomed as a 'fresh start' by Trump ... Darroch is now a busted flush nothing he says will matter anymore

It's a train-wreck but also clever politics ... top diplomats and civil servants DO NOT leak this stuff without a nod and a wink ... it's all part of the game.

If you're not convinced then consider these details -

Someone inside the British system deliberately amassed a stash of his assessments, then chose the moment of maximum impact to leak it. This was not a spontaneous decision to make public a single document: it required premeditation and therefore an agenda.

The collection of confidential memos from Darroch to senior officials in London was turned over to Isabel Oakeshott, a pro-Brexit journalist

The deliberate leaking of Kim Darroch’s email was aimed at undermining him, so the new un-elected Tory PM can appoint a Trumpian patsy to Washington. I wonder who might have been behind such a thing?

Love a good conspiracy theory .... especially when it's probably true ....