UFGN wrote:Luzh 22 wrote:UFGN wrote:Luzh 22 wrote:UFGN wrote:Luzh 22 wrote:UFGN wrote:Luzh 22 wrote:When Joyce Anelay, Baroness Anelay of St John's, starts making laws, and passing them without the nations consent, I'll agree you have a point. Until that time... nope.
Our EU commissioner took part in creating Laws on behalf of the prime minister
EXACTLY like ol' Joyce there.
Exactly the same. You won't admit it because you know it kills your argument stone dead.
Lord Adonis btw, Secretary of State a few years back
Except, when she helps make a law, it has to pass a vote, through every elected MP in the house of commons... Bit of difference and a vital one at that.
Next attempt?
Your argument is a stinking corpse.
In any case the comissioner was nothing more than a diplomat doing what he was told by the elected prime minister.
You know this perfectly well. You just don't like foreigners having a say on your laws
But you're ok with unelected peers serving in the Cabinet in senior ministerial positions.
I think you'll find that every commissioner, upon appointment, has to swear an oath to the EU, and surrender any allegiance to his/her home state. It's all there in black and white, if you care to look.
Next attempt?
Next attempt lol
I've already battered you mate.
You didn't even know that we have unelected cabinet ministers before I told you.
You continue this falsehood in your mind that the PM would appoint someone as Commissioner who he didn't completely trust to represent his government. Its complete nonsense.
Still you fail to address any point properly. And yes, I did know, as we were discussing mandelson in the other thread, just yesterday...
They have to swear an oath, to serve the EU and only the EU. IT IS ALL IN BLACK AND WHITE SHOULD YOU CARE TO LOOK.
No, you still don't get it because you simply don't want to.
The prime minister is not going to appoint a commissioner who he does not trust.
You take wild opposition to all this but you haven't mentioned until you were forced to, unelected cabinet ministers, unelected hereditary peers, who can and do block and disrupt government legislation (as recently as this year,) or the abattoir of democracy that is FPTP.
You just don't like foreigners having a say on laws here in the UK. You've lapped up the right wing "we can't kick them out" and "bendy bananas" bollocks wholesale. This is nothing to do with democracy for you.
I'll be the first to admit, that the House of Lords is utter bullshit, and unelected peers should not be interrupting the due course of Democracy. They do not, however, implement laws at their sole discretion. That being said, if I had my way, it would be disbanded right away.
FPTP is utter BS too, but, it's still a million times better than having no election at all.
As for the whole "I don't like foreigners having a say on laws here in the UK." Well, that's partially true, as the foreigners you're talking about are unelected politicians. It has nothing to do with where they are from. If the commissioners were my family members, I would still take massive issue with it, so I'd appreciate you not putting words in my mouth (yet again).