CukiZeGerman wrote:jmiles10 wrote:I will read that later but the discussions is should uk be in eu. Forget cars or economics my concern is health system being sustainable, it takes 3 weeks to get an appointment as it is, simply to many people. And it's not going to get better. Traffic jams in the country our crazy and its going to get worse people might struggle to get to work in 20 years. Common market is fine we should have good links with Germany, France etc. but no control over who we bring is the problem, uk don't need any more builders or someone to open a kebab shop they need doctors instead
The discussion has been about england leaving the EU the entire time.
Economics play the biggest role in this discussion.
Not only taxes that England collects from imports, but also a lot of jobs. I'd guess that at least 500k to 1 mil jobs depend on England staying / leaving in the EU, which is a pretty big number in normal circumstances. In times of crisis it's a huge number.
How traffic jams and the lack of medical staff tho is related with England staying / leaving the EU is a mistery to me.
I'm pretty sure that there were jams on the streets even before England joined the EU, and even if England leaves, there will still be traffic jams.
Same goes for problems with medical staff.
We only need a lot more medical staff because of immigration caused by EU countries
http
://www.migrationwatchuk.org/latest-immigration-statistics
Basicly after labour came in charge to now net migratiion has gone from 40-300 thousand. And last year was the biggest, bare in mind most immigrants have children to and age expectancy is getting bigger You have a problem. You can't possibly get enough doctors and nurses to keep pace with what's happend in the last 20 years.
The thing about traffic jams and transport is no joke, especially in and around London where its happening. Its already bad enough it took me a hour and a half to get 14 miles the other day in rush hour. We can't afford for this to get even worse.
Then school issues, enough teachers, enough places for everyone. Also bigger classes = less attention for students
Of course jobs get lost but jobs get created to, UK has to share its waters killing its fishing industry. Look at Norway they have an absolute thriving fishing industry because they arent in the eu. Their 2nd biggest export.
Even if UK experience financial loss its a neccisety, that's why I said economics doesn't matter at the moment or short term. You going nowhere if the infrastructure can't meet population demands.
And the underlying point in my original posts when I brought up German car market is Germany and UK have an important trade relationship. And Norway and Switzerland trade freely with EU even outside the EU. I believe UK can gain that. If not we still can improve trading with rest of the world outside eu
