GoonerAlexis wrote:UKIP will win. BREXIT will happen. I am sure of it. Nigel Farage has charisma, and he has truth on his side.
I'll quote you on this when the UK resoundingly votes to stay in.
by Callum » Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:40 pm
GoonerAlexis wrote:UKIP will win. BREXIT will happen. I am sure of it. Nigel Farage has charisma, and he has truth on his side.
by jmiles10 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:24 pm
by jmiles10 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:33 pm
by Callum » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:42 pm
jmiles10 wrote:It's simple farage says we should control immigration. Australian style system.
So take people in that have good skills and trades. Quality over quantity. Now anyone with zero skills can come in. Also you can have a criminal record and come in. He wants to stop that it's fairly reasonable.
Also more people more burden on housing, NHS, schools, benefits fairly logical.
Also regards trade his point is EU countries rely just as much on UK as UK does them. So its pointless to affect that regardless of UK being in EU. Norway and Switzerland, Iceland arent in EU they have no trade restrictions.
He dosent say anything that has no thinking behind it whether you disagree or agree with his thinking.
by Maradonna » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:49 pm
by jmiles10 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:40 pm
Callum wrote:jmiles10 wrote:It's simple farage says we should control immigration. Australian style system.
So take people in that have good skills and trades. Quality over quantity. Now anyone with zero skills can come in. Also you can have a criminal record and come in. He wants to stop that it's fairly reasonable.
Also more people more burden on housing, NHS, schools, benefits fairly logical.
Also regards trade his point is EU countries rely just as much on UK as UK does them. So its pointless to affect that regardless of UK being in EU. Norway and Switzerland, Iceland arent in EU they have no trade restrictions.
He dosent say anything that has no thinking behind it whether you disagree or agree with his thinking.
I'm not saying being a UKIP supporter makes you racist but the fact is that a lot of UKIP voters openly identify themselves as racist whilst Farage banging on about immigrants coming here with AIDS just stirs up xenophobia in this country. He knows what he's doing and it's disgraceful - playing on the fears and issues of this nation to stir up racial hatred in communities around the UK.
You choose to focus on all the low-skilled workers who come here ignore all of those who want to come and contribute to the economy. If we leave the EU these people will find it more difficult to enter and will likely take their skills elsewhere within the EU - we need doctors, nurses, lawyers, students and tons of other professionals to come here and help our economy and society.
There are roughly the same number of Brits in the EU as there are EU citizens in Britain. Immigration has also proven to be a net contributor to the UK economy and a large number of British institutions (the NHS being one of them) depend heavily on migrant workers to operate properly.
by UFGN » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:51 pm
by Callum » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:13 pm
UFGN wrote:I'm absolutely sure that a disproportionate amount of Ukip voters are racists. If thats not the case then please explain the total collapse of the BNP coinciding with the rise in popularity of Ukip? You can't.
by UFGN » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:22 pm
jmiles10 wrote:Also anyone that pulls out the racist card is an idiot.
What farage is saying actually is with the EU we have discriminated against lots of countries in the commonwealth and worldwide. That we our just as likely to take a WHITE Romanian who controls prostetution over a BLACK kenyan that wants to become a doctor
by Callum » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:01 pm
UFGN wrote:jmiles10 wrote:Also anyone that pulls out the racist card is an idiot.
What farage is saying actually is with the EU we have discriminated against lots of countries in the commonwealth and worldwide. That we our just as likely to take a WHITE Romanian who controls prostetution over a BLACK kenyan that wants to become a doctor
Should all the almost one million Brits in Spain be deported back to Britain then? Seeing as most of them are not skilled workers and a large number of them are retirees who've paid little or no tax in Spain? (Who are now sponging off the Spanish social care system)
....Awkward
by UFGN » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:15 pm
Callum wrote:UFGN wrote:jmiles10 wrote:Also anyone that pulls out the racist card is an idiot.
What farage is saying actually is with the EU we have discriminated against lots of countries in the commonwealth and worldwide. That we our just as likely to take a WHITE Romanian who controls prostetution over a BLACK kenyan that wants to become a doctor
Should all the almost one million Brits in Spain be deported back to Britain then? Seeing as most of them are not skilled workers and a large number of them are retirees who've paid little or no tax in Spain? (Who are now sponging off the Spanish social care system)
....Awkward
They're not 'immigrants' though - because they're white, generally pretty wealthy and elderly they're just 'ex-pats'...
by Pudpop » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:17 pm
by Callum » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:25 pm
UFGN wrote:I know you're not being serious but actually a lot of them aren't wealthy. I saw a report a few months ago about ex pats (British immigrants) in Spain who have run out of money, are retired and are now needing social support from Spain, including home visits from care workers. All paid for by the SPANISH TAXPAYER!
by Maradonna » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:25 pm
Pudpop wrote:Forum should have new rules banning anyone that links to the Daily Mail. It's poison.
At least copy the article and quote so we don't have to give them hits.
by UFGN » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:38 pm
Callum wrote:UFGN wrote:I know you're not being serious but actually a lot of them aren't wealthy. I saw a report a few months ago about ex pats (British immigrants) in Spain who have run out of money, are retired and are now needing social support from Spain, including home visits from care workers. All paid for by the SPANISH TAXPAYER!
Aye, I've read a few things about that before, but it's just funny how rags like the Daily Mail have helped portray the image of immigrants coming into this country as dirty, poor foreigners wanting to steal our jobs and benefits whilst those moving to the continent are just looking for some well-deserved sunshine by the sea. Parties like UKIP have only added to the toxicity and xenophobia in this country and it sickens me.