American Politics

Debate about anything going on in the world.
Please remember everyone has their own opinion

Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:59 am

Jedi wrote:
LMAO wrote:@Jedi, what kind of neoliberal would you describe yourself as?

More Thatcher/Reagan or more Clinton/Obama?

Clinton/Obama definitely

f**k trickle-down economics

I also like some progressives like Elizabeth Warren but Bernie/AOC... too far.


That's what I assumed lol

And you'll be happy to know Warren loves the Yellen pick.
User avatar
LMAO
Member of the Year 2019
Member of the Year 2019
 
Posts: 9358
Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:53 pm

Re: American Politics

Postby gooney » Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:33 am

Can’t believe the coward trump conceded. I thought he was gonna put more fight to it
gooney
SE13
SE13
 
Posts: 15684
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:11 pm

Re: American Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:59 am

Jedi wrote:
LMAO wrote:@Jedi, what kind of neoliberal would you describe yourself as?

More Thatcher/Reagan or more Clinton/Obama?

Clinton/Obama definitely

f**k trickle-down economics

I also like some progressives like Elizabeth Warren but Bernie/AOC... too far.


But both of them are corrupt so that explains alot.
Image
User avatar
DiamondGooner
SE13
SE13
 
Posts: 24384
Joined: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:35 am
Location: At the Gucci store

Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:20 am

Jedi wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:You are also a liar.
On election night you had no idea that the votes would come on later for Biden.
In fact, most left-wing extremists were throwing in the towel.
On this forum, it took me to advise that the counts did not include mail-ins yet.

My November 2nd post:
Jedi wrote:Tomorrow is going to be insane. We now know Trump is going to attempt a coup and declare himself the winner prematurely before millions of mail-in ballots are counted as long as he has anything close to a lead early in the night.

The only reason I got spooked on election night is because of the betting markets which briefly swung in Trump's favor.


Also, have to show DG's response to that post:
DiamondGooner wrote:I can't believe you think Trump will really defy the result, such a paranoid fool and Trump is not "my guy" by the way.

The cognitive dissonance in this thread is amazing.



Fella, just stop.
During the night when I said the election was close you actually said it wasn;t... you said Trump was the clear favourite

Don't try and revise history.

As the results came in and we got to about an hr before they closed up for the night, the entire world thought Trump was going to win.
Then all hell started to break loose with reports of districts with backlogs and eventually the counting being stopped.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
User avatar
jayramfootball
Bertie Mee
Bertie Mee
 
Posts: 8050
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:58 pm
Location: Midlands UK

Re: American Politics

Postby Angelito » Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:09 am

Jedi wrote:
LMAO wrote:@Jedi, what kind of neoliberal would you describe yourself as?

More Thatcher/Reagan or more Clinton/Obama?

Clinton/Obama definitely

f**k trickle-down economics

I also like some progressives like Elizabeth Warren but Bernie/AOC... too far.


Too far in what sense?

Here are Bernie's policies, in brief:

- Medicare for all (SOSHALIZM!)
- Workplace democracy and rights for workers
- Tuition-free college
- Green New Deal
- Social Security Expansion
- The Affordable Home scheme to end homelessness and make housing affordable to all
- Justice system reform and a proposed Prisoner Bill of Rights
- Women empowerment
- LGBTIQ+ rights
- Bolstering public education
- High speed internet for all (COMMUNISM!)*
- Racial justice
- Fair banking
- Free childcare
- Taxing the extremely wealthy

How is any of this going too far?

* Net Neutrality is dying a slow death on the watch of neoliberals.
Image
User avatar
Angelito
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 29182
Joined: Fri May 25, 2012 9:32 am
Location: The Overlook Hotel

Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:25 am

Angelito wrote:Here are Bernie's policies, in brief:

- Medicare for all (SOSHALIZM!)
- Workplace democracy and rights for workers
- Tuition-free college
- Green New Deal
- Social Security Expansion
- The Affordable Home scheme to end homelessness and make housing affordable to all
- Justice system reform and a proposed Prisoner Bill of Rights
- Women empowerment
- LGBTIQ+ rights
- Bolstering public education
- High speed internet for all
- Racial justice
- Fair banking
- Free childcare
- Taxing the extremely wealthy

How is any of this going too far?


That's a wish list not a policy document - not even close to being the same thing.

https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/#

These were his so called 'visions' during the campaign, however without the Senate virtually none of these visions will be possible. If he appoints Janet Yellen to the treasury that's a sure sign he's following John Maynard Keynes, that's an interesting move because Keynesian Economics requires low inflation and low taxes to support the multiplier effect ... hmmm is that what Biden has been preaching?

Despite the view that Keynesian Economics are somehow the domain of liberals, both Bush and Reagan applied a lot of his theories.

It will be an interesting four/eight years - taking the USA back to better times? maybe ....
EliteKiller
Poster Of The Month
Poster Of The Month
 
Posts: 4795
Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:48 pm

Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:53 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Jedi wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:You are also a liar.
On election night you had no idea that the votes would come on later for Biden.
In fact, most left-wing extremists were throwing in the towel.
On this forum, it took me to advise that the counts did not include mail-ins yet.

My November 2nd post:
Jedi wrote:Tomorrow is going to be insane. We now know Trump is going to attempt a coup and declare himself the winner prematurely before millions of mail-in ballots are counted as long as he has anything close to a lead early in the night.

The only reason I got spooked on election night is because of the betting markets which briefly swung in Trump's favor.


Also, have to show DG's response to that post:
DiamondGooner wrote:I can't believe you think Trump will really defy the result, such a paranoid fool and Trump is not "my guy" by the way.

The cognitive dissonance in this thread is amazing.



Fella, just stop.
During the night when I said the election was close you actually said it wasn;t... you said Trump was the clear favourite

Don't try and revise history.

As the results came in and we got to about an hr before they closed up for the night, the entire world thought Trump was going to win.
Then all hell started to break loose with reports of districts with backlogs and eventually the counting being stopped.

I can't help you if you're not gonna read what I'm saying.

I. was. looking. at. the. betting. odds.

They heavily favored Trump at the time, therefore i said he was the clear favorite.

Angelito wrote:
Jedi wrote:
LMAO wrote:@Jedi, what kind of neoliberal would you describe yourself as?

More Thatcher/Reagan or more Clinton/Obama?

Clinton/Obama definitely

f**k trickle-down economics

I also like some progressives like Elizabeth Warren but Bernie/AOC... too far.


Too far in what sense?

Here are Bernie's policies, in brief:

- Medicare for all (SOSHALIZM!)
- Workplace democracy and rights for workers
- Tuition-free college
- Green New Deal
- Social Security Expansion
- The Affordable Home scheme to end homelessness and make housing affordable to all
- Justice system reform and a proposed Prisoner Bill of Rights
- Women empowerment
- LGBTIQ+ rights
- Bolstering public education
- High speed internet for all (COMMUNISM!)*
- Racial justice
- Fair banking
- Free childcare
- Taxing the extremely wealthy

How is any of this going too far?

* Net Neutrality is dying a slow death on the watch of neoliberals.

Off the top my head:
1) Federal jobs guarantee
2) Rent control
3) Forgiving ALL student loan and free college for everyone
User avatar
Jedi
Dennis Bergkamp
Dennis Bergkamp
 
Posts: 6495
Joined: Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:47 pm

Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:42 pm

Jedi wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Jedi wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:You are also a liar.
On election night you had no idea that the votes would come on later for Biden.
In fact, most left-wing extremists were throwing in the towel.
On this forum, it took me to advise that the counts did not include mail-ins yet.

My November 2nd post:
Jedi wrote:Tomorrow is going to be insane. We now know Trump is going to attempt a coup and declare himself the winner prematurely before millions of mail-in ballots are counted as long as he has anything close to a lead early in the night.

The only reason I got spooked on election night is because of the betting markets which briefly swung in Trump's favor.


Also, have to show DG's response to that post:
DiamondGooner wrote:I can't believe you think Trump will really defy the result, such a paranoid fool and Trump is not "my guy" by the way.

The cognitive dissonance in this thread is amazing.



Fella, just stop.
During the night when I said the election was close you actually said it wasn;t... you said Trump was the clear favourite

Don't try and revise history.

As the results came in and we got to about an hr before they closed up for the night, the entire world thought Trump was going to win.
Then all hell started to break loose with reports of districts with backlogs and eventually the counting being stopped.

I can't help you if you're not gonna read what I'm saying.

I. was. looking. at. the. betting. odds.

They heavily favored Trump at the time, therefore i said he was the clear favorite.

Angelito wrote:
Jedi wrote:
LMAO wrote:@Jedi, what kind of neoliberal would you describe yourself as?

More Thatcher/Reagan or more Clinton/Obama?

Clinton/Obama definitely

f**k trickle-down economics

I also like some progressives like Elizabeth Warren but Bernie/AOC... too far.


Too far in what sense?

Here are Bernie's policies, in brief:

- Medicare for all (SOSHALIZM!)
- Workplace democracy and rights for workers
- Tuition-free college
- Green New Deal
- Social Security Expansion
- The Affordable Home scheme to end homelessness and make housing affordable to all
- Justice system reform and a proposed Prisoner Bill of Rights
- Women empowerment
- LGBTIQ+ rights
- Bolstering public education
- High speed internet for all (COMMUNISM!)*
- Racial justice
- Fair banking
- Free childcare
- Taxing the extremely wealthy

How is any of this going too far?

* Net Neutrality is dying a slow death on the watch of neoliberals.

Off the top my head:
1) Federal jobs guarantee
2) Rent control
3) Forgiving ALL student loan and free college for everyone


You make no sense.
If you were confident that late votes would come in for Biden then you would not have been panicking and touting Trump as the favourite.
You, like everyone else, thought Trump was in the driving seat.
The mail in votes were counted in batches, not at the end. In PA Biden got off to a massive early lead of hundreds of thousands and was clawed back to the extent Trump was miles ahead. Then the counting stopped. In AZ all the mail-in votes were counted first.

The thread clearly spells out what people were saying and how they were feeling as the night progressed.
Don't for a second try to pretend that you thought Biden was going to win 30 minutes to an hour before the counting stopped.

Whether you like it or not, Trump has a valid and reasonable reason to question the results.
I personally doubt that he has a case, but that does not change the fact that what he is doing is entirely reasonable.
The process is playing out exactly as it should if there is a suspicion of voter fraud or election rigging.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
User avatar
jayramfootball
Bertie Mee
Bertie Mee
 
Posts: 8050
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:58 pm
Location: Midlands UK

Re: American Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:01 am

Angelito wrote:
Jedi wrote:
LMAO wrote:@Jedi, what kind of neoliberal would you describe yourself as?

More Thatcher/Reagan or more Clinton/Obama?

Clinton/Obama definitely

f**k trickle-down economics

I also like some progressives like Elizabeth Warren but Bernie/AOC... too far.


Too far in what sense?

Here are Bernie's policies, in brief:

- Medicare for all (SOSHALIZM!)
- Workplace democracy and rights for workers
- Tuition-free college
- Green New Deal
- Social Security Expansion
- The Affordable Home scheme to end homelessness and make housing affordable to all
- Justice system reform and a proposed Prisoner Bill of Rights
- Women empowerment
- LGBTIQ+ rights
- Bolstering public education
- High speed internet for all (COMMUNISM!)*
- Racial justice
- Fair banking
- Free childcare
- Taxing the extremely wealthy

How is any of this going too far?

* Net Neutrality is dying a slow death on the watch of neoliberals.


I agree with you tbf.

What some like Jedi say "can't be done" for e.g free tuition.

For someone who's supposedly Far Left, to say Bernie goes "Too far" when most of what Bernie wants is already a reality across Europe to some degree or another.

France - Free Child care

Germany - Workplace democracy and rights for workers

England and practically the whole of Europe bar Switzerland - Medicare for all / NHS / Free Health care.

Free Tuition - College is free in the UK and all education is free in some countries, University is free or very cheap in Slovenia, Sweden, Norway, Germany, France and the Czech Republic.
Image
User avatar
DiamondGooner
SE13
SE13
 
Posts: 24384
Joined: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:35 am
Location: At the Gucci store

Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:51 am

It's not that it can't be done. It's that it shouldn't be done.

Why would you use taxpayer money to subsidize rich people going to college? If you're well off and you can afford to pay for college, you should. How about you deal with the 500k homeless people first?
User avatar
Jedi
Dennis Bergkamp
Dennis Bergkamp
 
Posts: 6495
Joined: Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:47 pm

Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:39 am

Jedi wrote:It's not that it can't be done. It's that it shouldn't be done.

Why would you use taxpayer money to subsidize rich people going to college? If you're well off and you can afford to pay for college, you should. How about you deal with the 500k homeless people first?


It can be a stimulus for the economy, but the effects are medium / long term. Just as governments are keen to encourage immigrants with certain skills, the same can be achieved by paying university fees, if it is done with enough forward planning.

In the UK when free university places were at their peak, I think we got it wrong. All degree courses were treated equally. Instead you should look at what skills the country needs, and offer only relevant degrees free of charge. In return, the student agrees to use those skills in the UK, post qualification, for X number of years. (So the debt is owed but only on paper, and is written off after the agreed number of years of relevant work.) A similar system is already in place for teachers of certain subjects.
Image
User avatar
UFGN
SE13
SE13
 
Posts: 20377
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:46 pm
Location: London, init

Re: American Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:35 pm

Jedi wrote:It's not that it can't be done. It's that it shouldn't be done.

Why would you use taxpayer money to subsidize rich people going to college? If you're well off and you can afford to pay for college, you should. How about you deal with the 500k homeless people first?


What??

In your preference then the only people hurt are poor people, the very people who if smart enough deserve to go and who need the help.
Rich people are going regardless because they can afford it.

The whole purpose is to improve social mobility where as you wouldn't do fk all to help it, proving your just a sheep, slogan screamer who doesn't actually put any thought in.

What you should of said is if any students have parents with a wage of 100k total (depending on where they live) then they have to pay.

Your way is simply status quo leaving rich people with all the opportunity........well done liberal, very progressive.
Image
User avatar
DiamondGooner
SE13
SE13
 
Posts: 24384
Joined: Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:35 am
Location: At the Gucci store

Re: American Politics

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:04 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Jedi wrote:It's not that it can't be done. It's that it shouldn't be done.

Why would you use taxpayer money to subsidize rich people going to college? If you're well off and you can afford to pay for college, you should. How about you deal with the 500k homeless people first?


What??

In your preference then the only people hurt are poor people, the very people who if smart enough deserve to go and who need the help.
Rich people are going regardless because they can afford it.

The whole purpose is to improve social mobility where as you wouldn't do fk all to help it, proving your just a sheep, slogan screamer who doesn't actually put any thought in.

What you should of said is if any students have parents with a wage of 100k total (depending on where they live) then they have to pay.

Your way is simply status quo leaving rich people with all the opportunity........well done liberal, very progressive.


Agree
User avatar
Va-Va-Voom
Member of the Year 2015
Member of the Year 2015
 
Posts: 21819
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:01 am

Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:32 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Jedi wrote:It's not that it can't be done. It's that it shouldn't be done.

Why would you use taxpayer money to subsidize rich people going to college? If you're well off and you can afford to pay for college, you should. How about you deal with the 500k homeless people first?


What??

In your preference then the only people hurt are poor people, the very people who if smart enough deserve to go and who need the help.
Rich people are going regardless because they can afford it.

The whole purpose is to improve social mobility where as you wouldn't do fk all to help it, proving your just a sheep, slogan screamer who doesn't actually put any thought in.

What you should of said is if any students have parents with a wage of 100k total (depending on where they live) then they have to pay.

Your way is simply status quo leaving rich people with all the opportunity........well done liberal, very progressive.


This is one of those rare occasions that I agree with Bernie Sanders - partially.
Tax payer funded college for all... BUT one huge caveat.
Only the most talented should go to college and there should be about 5% of the courses currently available. Get rid of all the nonsense degrees and tax payer fund the education of talented people who will fill up highly skilled professional jobs that will better the whole of society and advance the nation.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
User avatar
jayramfootball
Bertie Mee
Bertie Mee
 
Posts: 8050
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:58 pm
Location: Midlands UK

Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:28 pm

Voter fraud hearings going on at the moment in PA - pretty incredible stuff being discussed.
Witnesses and data presentations.
Chain of custody of ballots and also the fact that any audit information has been destroyed (now there is no way of checking for sure) seem to be big red flags.
Eye witnesses also say several USB loads of data to the voting machines (24 times) took place.
PA didn't follow it's own rules

A judge has blocked certification of election results in PA and all other outstanding districts /states
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
User avatar
jayramfootball
Bertie Mee
Bertie Mee
 
Posts: 8050
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:58 pm
Location: Midlands UK

PreviousNext

Return to The Big Debate

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ahrefs [Bot] and 1 guest