DiamondGooner wrote:LMAO wrote:Let me get this straight: You're claiming people were incapable for actually voting for their preferred candidate still in the race, and instead, the DNC literally forced people to vote against Sanders?
I made it clear in the other post that I didn't say Bernie was going to win, but your also completely discounting media pressure, opposition campaigns, false information, hack jobs.
This is not done for fun LMAO, its done to influence opinion.
........... I mean in this day and age I really shouldn't have to explain that.
I'm just saying we had a huge back and forth with this before regarding Russian interference/disinformation in the 2016 presidential election where you said it wasn't a big deal and didn't change anything, and I said it was one of the major reasons Hillary lost. That was a close race (Trump won by ~77,000 votes), so it's definitely plausible that it worked. But any DNC opposition to Bernie during the 2020 Democratic primaries didn't matter because media pressure, party opposition, sniping at Bernie, whatever you want to call it isn't going to change the minds of millions of voters.
As much as I didn't want Biden because he was so meh, it would be stupid of me to deny he's the candidate voters overwhelming chose, especially when Biden was leading in the polls for most of the race (including a lot of 2019 before any primaries happened) outside of a few weeks for Sanders.
DiamondGooner wrote:LMAO wrote:StLGooner wrote:Once again, our so called "democracy" has presented us with only 2 horrible options.
And Harris is barely black, she identifies as Indian American, and is someone who sends people to prison for marijuana offenses. If the black community did their homework they would realize she isn't that great of an option, but she has a percentage of African in her, so I guess that matters for some reason. IDK!!
Also, her dad claims to be a direct descendant of an Irish slave owner, so I'm not sure how the cancel culture kids are going to work that one out. Good luck!
I usually like your posts and think you're level-headed, but there's so much wrong with this bs bOtH sIdEs. Are Joe Biden and Kamala Harris perfect? f**k no, but they're a lot better than the alternative.
LMAO, StLGooner is absolutely right, no matter how you slice it Joe Biden is a shower of sh*t.
The man is literally losing his marbles in front of your nation, he's unfit to be President, literally and is obviously a well funded DNC stooge.
Just because Trump is a clown doesn't mean Biden gets a pass, StL is right, America can and should be doing better.
I like Tulsi Gabbard.
I don't have a problem with StL not liking Biden, he has a right to his own preferences just like everyone else. What I did take issue with was the false balance (if you don't think they're equally horrible StL, my bad, and I've just gotten into all this for nothing lol). After seeing Trump f**k shit up by being generally incompetent, it's annoying to continue hearing variations of 'both sides bad' when one side is clearly much worse than the other, such as Biden not being anti-science or anti-democracy like Trump.
And I don't disagree that we shouldn't do better, but Biden and Trump are who we've got for 2020. Unless one of them croaks, that ain't changing, and one of them will be president come noon EST on January 20, 2021, so nut up and compromise like an adult. After this election, focus on 2024 and work toward getting a better candidate for president because that's something that can still change.
As for Gabbard, I can't stand her and am glad she's out of politics.