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Re: American Politics

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:42 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Va-Va-Voom wrote:I wonder how the anti-semites in Trump's MAGA base reconcile the fact that Trump's pride and joy Ivanka is Jewish...

:think:


They probably feel the same way about her as the anti-semites and bigots in Biden's base.

Can't fix stupid.


They probably don't even know she's Jewish tbh
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:43 pm

Liz Cheney will vote to impeach Trump tomorrow, becoming the highest ranking (#3) House Republican so far to come out in favor and the second House Republican after John Katko. Like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

Saw somewhere that said: "The first impeachment was an indictment of Trump. The second impeachment is an indictment of the Republican Party."

Had the GOP voted to impeach (other than Amash before he jumped ship and joined the Libertarians) and convict (other than Romney) Trump last year, most of this could've been prevented.

Need to also throw Section 3 of the 14th Amendment at the 139 Representatives and 8 Senators who went along with this massive voter fraud charade by voting against the presidential certification.
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:48 pm

Va-Va-Voom wrote:Bill Belichick rejects the Medal of Freedom from Trump.


Nice to see Belichick has some morals. Would've also lost him the locker room.
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Re: American Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:54 pm

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Va-Va-Voom wrote:Bill Belichick rejects the Medal of Freedom from Trump.


Nice to see Belichick has some morals. Would've also lost him the locker room.


Which is probably why he rejected it.

All these little victories are hollow, people just don't want the bad press or the hassle.

Take Dana White for e.g, because he's the boss at UFC, he can't be cancelled, too many fighters and sports networks make money with him so the pressure is off, the agenda for badgering him doesn't get pushed, it gets held down or swept under the carpet.

Unfortunately most people are not the "boss", so everyone else with a pressure point runs away.

Issue is you never know truly how anyone feels, they just don't want the agg but just make their feelings known on voting day, just like Tom Brady, he thought he was too popular to get agg but he can be pressured because he's just a player with a coach and then a whole organisation over him, sponsors, everything.

Dana is just in a lucky position where he doesn't really answer to anyone.
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Re: American Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:59 pm

LMAO wrote:Liz Cheney will vote to impeach Trump tomorrow, becoming the highest ranking (#3) House Republican so far to come out in favor and the second House Republican after John Katko. Like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

Saw somewhere that said: "The first impeachment was an indictment of Trump. The second impeachment is an indictment of the Republican Party."

Had the GOP voted to impeach (other than Amash before he jumped ship and joined the Libertarians) and convict (other than Romney) Trump last year, most of this could've been prevented.

Need to also throw Section 3 of the 14th Amendment at the 139 Representatives and 8 Senators who went along with this massive voter fraud charade by voting against the presidential certification.


Couldn't impeach him while he was in power so now they just want to give him a kick out the door .......... he already lost the election, they're only doing this now because his power base has fallen out from under him.

He's out the door whenever you guys get round eventually to crowning Biden.

See how nonsense your system is, how can a guy win an election but the other guy stays in power for months? what if Trump tried to push through loads of last orders because he knew he wasn't coming back?

Ridiculous system, just like your country.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:19 am

LMAO wrote:Liz Cheney will vote to impeach Trump tomorrow, becoming the highest ranking (#3) House Republican so far to come out in favor and the second House Republican after John Katko. Like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

Saw somewhere that said: "The first impeachment was an indictment of Trump. The second impeachment is an indictment of the Republican Party."

Had the GOP voted to impeach (other than Amash before he jumped ship and joined the Libertarians) and convict (other than Romney) Trump last year, most of this could've been prevented.

Need to also throw Section 3 of the 14th Amendment at the 139 Representatives and 8 Senators who went along with this massive voter fraud charade by voting against the presidential certification.


You are insane.
A good example of what happens when the far left get a sniff of power.
Utterly insane.
They make good bedfellows with the far-right which is probably why the like of Richard Spencer endorsed Biden.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:24 am

DiamondGooner wrote:
LMAO wrote:Liz Cheney will vote to impeach Trump tomorrow, becoming the highest ranking (#3) House Republican so far to come out in favor and the second House Republican after John Katko. Like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

Saw somewhere that said: "The first impeachment was an indictment of Trump. The second impeachment is an indictment of the Republican Party."

Had the GOP voted to impeach (other than Amash before he jumped ship and joined the Libertarians) and convict (other than Romney) Trump last year, most of this could've been prevented.

Need to also throw Section 3 of the 14th Amendment at the 139 Representatives and 8 Senators who went along with this massive voter fraud charade by voting against the presidential certification.


Couldn't impeach him while he was in power so now they just want to give him a kick out the door .......... he already lost the election, they're only doing this now because his power base has fallen out from under him.

He's out the door whenever you guys get round eventually to crowning Biden.

See how nonsense your system is, how can a guy win an election but the other guy stays in power for months? what if Trump tried to push through loads of last orders because he knew he wasn't coming back?

Ridiculous system, just like your country.


It is a terrible system. Over 2 months from an election to the winner taking office.
As we saw in 2016, all kinds of havoc can be set up to 'welcome' the new administration.
It'll probably be the same this time around.

As for Democrats and Republicans pushing impeachment with literally 7 days left of the term, it's not only stupid it also sets an amazingly bad precedent. Now impeachment is apparently for the actions of your supporters - bizarre.
I bet not one of them - and very few in this thread - actually understand what impeachment is supposed to be for.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:53 am

DiamondGooner wrote:
LMAO wrote:
Va-Va-Voom wrote:Bill Belichick rejects the Medal of Freedom from Trump.


Nice to see Belichick has some morals. Would've also lost him the locker room.


Which is probably why he rejected it.

All these little victories are hollow, people just don't want the bad press or the hassle.

Take Dana White for e.g, because he's the boss at UFC, he can't be cancelled, too many fighters and sports networks make money with him so the pressure is off, the agenda for badgering him doesn't get pushed, it gets held down or swept under the carpet.



Wrong.

Endeavor owns the UFC and Disney own the broadcasting rights which goes through ESPN.

Dana can absolutely be canceled and has bosses he has to asnwer to.

Disney are the ones who shut down UFC 249 in April even though Dana was desperate for it to happen.

Dana is the President of the UFC, not the owner. If they want him removed he'll be gone tomorrow.

A better example would've been Vince McMahon and WWE, he is the chairman and CEO.

Dana has never been that, the UFC belonged to the Fertitta brothers before they sold it.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:54 am

jayramfootball wrote:They make good bedfellows with the far-right which is probably why the like of Richard Spencer endorsed Biden.

Have you investigated why Richard Spencer endorsed Joe Biden? It's quite hilarious actually... Even he admitted that Trump is racist but said that he's too stupid to be racist in an effective manner:
“Many white nationalists will eat up this red meat that Donald Trump is throwing out there,” he said.

Spencer labeled the tweets, in which Trump told the four progressive Democrats to “go back” to the countries they came from, as racist, but he said he thinks the attacks are “meaningless and cheap.”

“He gives us nothing outside of racist tweets,” he said.

He basically admitted Trump is a racist but that his policy wasn't beneficial to white people in the US. He also admitted that his foreign policy was catastrophic and that, policy wise, he ended up being a typical neocon.

As for his endorsement of Joe Biden:
Spencer said that he planned to vote for Joe Biden and the straight Democratic ticket in the November election: "It's not based on accelerationism or anything, the liberals are clearly the more competent people"

"Trump is an obvious disaster, but mainly the paradigm contained flaws that we now are able to perceive. And it needs to end," Spencer wrote. "So be patient. We'll have another day in the sun. We need to recover and return in a new form."


tl;dr Trump is so f***ing unhinged and destructive that he got a white nationalist to vote for a black woman as VP out of pragmatism...
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:19 am

Jedi wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:They make good bedfellows with the far-right which is probably why the like of Richard Spencer endorsed Biden.

Have you investigated why Richard Spencer endorsed Joe Biden? It's quite hilarious actually... Even he admitted that Trump is racist but said that he's too stupid to be racist in an effective manner:
“Many white nationalists will eat up this red meat that Donald Trump is throwing out there,” he said.

Spencer labeled the tweets, in which Trump told the four progressive Democrats to “go back” to the countries they came from, as racist, but he said he thinks the attacks are “meaningless and cheap.”

“He gives us nothing outside of racist tweets,” he said.

He basically admitted Trump is a racist but that his policy wasn't beneficial to white people in the US. He also admitted that his foreign policy was catastrophic and that, policy wise, he ended up being a typical neocon.

As for his endorsement of Joe Biden:
Spencer said that he planned to vote for Joe Biden and the straight Democratic ticket in the November election: "It's not based on accelerationism or anything, the liberals are clearly the more competent people"

"Trump is an obvious disaster, but mainly the paradigm contained flaws that we now are able to perceive. And it needs to end," Spencer wrote. "So be patient. We'll have another day in the sun. We need to recover and return in a new form."


tl;dr Trump is so f***ing unhinged and destructive that he got a white nationalist to vote for a black woman as VP out of pragmatism...


Always 'reasons' with the left trying to defend. After a tirade of abuse that Spencer backed Trump in 2016... but when Spencer backs Biden... hmm 'reasons'...

Excuses on tap.

A racist, Nazi endorsed Biden.
That's the end of the story.

Like I said, with the way the Democrats are acting now, I can see why the party would appeal to Spencer.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:27 am

Translation:
jayramfootball wrote:I just got blown the f**k out, yet again, and I can't argue with anything you've said so I'm just going to ignore it and act like a r***rd until we move on to another topic
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:29 am

Get away from left and right and consider the madness ...

Impeachment was only supposed to be used as a last resort by a bipartisan legislative branch of US democracy ... now it's become just a political tool used by the party with the majority to attack the president.

If by some miracle the Reps win either the House or the Senate in the mid-terms then Biden impeachment (on some entirely spurious charge) will no doubt soon follow ... and so it will go on.

US Democracy it's fast becoming a joke.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:33 am

EliteKiller wrote:Get away from left and right and consider the madness ...

Impeachment was only supposed to be used as a last resort by a bipartisan legislative branch of US democracy ... now it's become just a political tool used by the party with the majority to attack the president.

If by some miracle the Reps win either the House or the Senate in the mid-terms then Biden impeachment (on some entirely spurious charge) will no doubt soon follow ... and so it will go on.

US Democracy it's fast becoming a joke.

Both impeachments of Trump are completely justified and he should've been removed from office the first time. The problem is not that impeachment is overused but that with Trump, It's become the norm to committ impeachable offenses. The cure for that is to remove him from office.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:30 am

Jedi wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:Get away from left and right and consider the madness ...

Impeachment was only supposed to be used as a last resort by a bipartisan legislative branch of US democracy ... now it's become just a political tool used by the party with the majority to attack the president.

If by some miracle the Reps win either the House or the Senate in the mid-terms then Biden impeachment (on some entirely spurious charge) will no doubt soon follow ... and so it will go on.

US Democracy it's fast becoming a joke.

Both impeachments of Trump are completely justified and he should've been removed from office the first time. The problem is not that impeachment is overused but that with Trump, It's become the norm to committ impeachable offenses. The cure for that is to remove him from office.


Fair enough your opinion - but the first impeachment failed so you are clearly wrong to claim it was justified, or would you claim that political interference overtook the facts? - as for the second one it's only being used to stop Trump running in 2024 as he will be gone long before it's passed, shouldn't that be a decision for the voters in 2024? so again is impeachment now being used purely as a political tool.

You may think anything you want, but the decision should be in the hands of 330m Americans not a handful of politicians ... democracy requires that those elected to govern follow the wishes of the people, so do 2/3rds of the people (the standard required for a Congressional impeachment) support that .... the last election very clearly says no.

Admittedly some some voters are deranged lunatics, but that's democracy for you ....
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Re: American Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:54 am

Va-Va-Voom wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
LMAO wrote:
Va-Va-Voom wrote:Bill Belichick rejects the Medal of Freedom from Trump.


Nice to see Belichick has some morals. Would've also lost him the locker room.


Which is probably why he rejected it.

All these little victories are hollow, people just don't want the bad press or the hassle.

Take Dana White for e.g, because he's the boss at UFC, he can't be cancelled, too many fighters and sports networks make money with him so the pressure is off, the agenda for badgering him doesn't get pushed, it gets held down or swept under the carpet.



Wrong.

Endeavor owns the UFC and Disney own the broadcasting rights which goes through ESPN.

Dana can absolutely be canceled and has bosses he has to asnwer to.

Disney are the ones who shut down UFC 249 in April even though Dana was desperate for it to happen.

Dana is the President of the UFC, not the owner. If they want him removed he'll be gone tomorrow.

A better example would've been Vince McMahon and WWE, he is the chairman and CEO.

Dana has never been that, the UFC belonged to the Fertitta brothers before they sold it.


You actually explaining that like I don't know the details?

I'm not wrong, he's the fkin President of the UFC, how is he not the boss?

I never said he owned it, I said he was the boss and he is, he runs the UFC same way he did with the Ferttitas.

I've been watching the UFC since 1995 since UFC 1.

Dana is rich enough that he can quit whenever he wants, he's his own boss because he runs the show, yes UFC has "owners" it always did even under the Fertittas, but his role has always been to manage the entire show from top to bottom and he's never been reigned in.

If he was subservient to anyone it was the Ferttias, Dana used to kiss their ass because that was years ago when he wasn't as rich as he is now, but similar to Kevin Feige at Disney, he runs the show regarding Marvel, he's the cog, you take him out it all goes tits up.

Dana is the same, he's at a point now where he runs the UFC from top to bottom that if the new UFC owners tried to gag him, he would likely tell them to fk off, he's already rich.
He's only hanging on because the UFC is his baby.

When the new company bought UFC off the Fertittas, Dana came as part of the package because of how intergral he is.
They could fire him sure ............. but then they better find someone else to run the entire company from top to bottom, fighter contracts, setting up shows, organising the cards, Pressers, Dana does absolutely everything (with his assisstants obviously).

Dana is not in a position to be fearful of someone reigning him in the mans worth north of $500m ffs and has all the leverage of being the face of the UFC ............. hence why he DOES and HAS said whatever the fk he wants and gets away with it.
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