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Re: American Politics

Postby Phil71 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:30 pm

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Angelito wrote:Isn't Trump the first Prez since Carter who didn't wage an active war?

The President has the power to wage a war deploying limited militia within a certain period. That was Obama's defense of his intervention in Libya.

If we're talking about a full-fledged war, or a nuclear strike, a President doesn't have that power. The Congress must pass such an intervention.


He (+ Pompeo) assassinated a senior Iranian general in January in hopes of starting a new one. Had it not been for Covid, there'd probably be thousands of troops sabre-rattling on the borders of Afghanistan or Iraq right now.

He's still waging all the current wars though. Just because he signs off decisions based on 5-page briefings with lots of pictures, doesn't mean he isn't still the person with ultimate responsibility.


That was intended to show Iran that the US can find any of them and kill them remotely whenever they like.

Iran were causing problems in Iraq. That guy was leading it. He paid the price.

They had that little pop gun retaliation and the US saw it for what it was;- something to save face in their own country.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:47 pm

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That was intended to show Iran that the US can find any of them and kill them remotely whenever they like.

Iran were causing problems in Iraq. That guy was leading it. He paid the price.

They had that little pop gun retaliation and the US saw it for what it was;- something to save face in their own country.


This kind of dick-swinging is pointless to me as an individual. It is an act of war, and far from a show of strength.

Everybody knows that 9/11 responders have had to fight tooth and nail in American courts for years to get treatment they are owned for saving thousands of lives. The strong 'front' shown by American missile strikes is exposed quite starkly when you consider how poorly its veterans are treated at home.

Burning Iraq to the ground didn't bring anybody back, it just showcased the fundamental weakness of American militarism: fighting those that can't fight back to any realistic extent. That's why Russia and China go further and further each year to expand their sphere of influence. They know they US won't do a damn thing to stop them, because

1. they still have wars they haven't finished.
2. they wouldn't attack a fellow nuclear power

Attacking Iran, after pulling out a multilateral peace deal simply tells every other bad actor to get nukes by any means possible.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:05 pm

That Iranian was an evil scumbag and deserved to get vaporised but you cant seriously claim it wasnt an act of war.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:06 pm

That Iranian was an evil scumbag and deserved to get vaporised but you cant seriously claim it wasnt an act of war.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Phil71 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:12 pm

There are loads of things like that going on in that part of the world every week.

Are they all acts of war? Maybe they are. In any case it was all forgotten about quite quickly. Iran accepted their slap in the face and everything carried on.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:50 pm

UFGN wrote:That Iranian was an evil scumbag and deserved to get vaporised but you cant seriously claim it wasnt an act of war.


Like when Obama had Bin Laden killed on Pakistan soil without their permission?
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:03 am

Pennsylvania:
A Pennsylvania court just invalidated 2,349 absentee ballots in Allegheny County where the voter didn't date their declaration.
This opens up a big door for more in Allegheny county and across the state.
If ballots are getting thrown out for missing dates then expect 'cured' ballots to also be thrown out.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:20 am

Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:That Iranian was an evil scumbag and deserved to get vaporised but you cant seriously claim it wasnt an act of war.


Like when Obama had Bin Laden killed on Pakistan soil without their permission?


Bin Laden wasn't a general in the military, he was literally the most wanted terrorist in the world.
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:13 am

Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:That Iranian was an evil scumbag and deserved to get vaporised but you cant seriously claim it wasnt an act of war.


Like when Obama had Bin Laden killed on Pakistan soil without their permission?


Eh, bin Laden was more like al-Baghdadi*.

Soleimani was a major general of a UN member state we weren't/aren't at war/armed conflict with.

*Yeah, he blew himself up instead of being killed by US forces but that's a minor detail.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:35 am

Targeting enemy combatants be they 'military' or 'terrorists' is nothing new for the USA ... been happening for decades.

The real issue for the USA is 90 days with no leadership - Trump is a feckwit with no power, Biden is the king of creating working-parties but again with no power - by the time January 25th comes around the US will be utterly trashed.
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Re: American Politics

Postby VCC » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:23 am

Trumps new election slogan
Making the USA the new Nigeria
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:56 am

VCC wrote:Trumps new election slogan
Making the USA the new Nigeria


So what are you saying... that election fraud and rigging can't possibly exist, but then all of a sudden it can exist?
So it can only exist if Trump does it?

Seems to be much of the same BS to me.

The Trump cult shouting fraud and the leftist cult shouting no fraud.
What is plainly obvious if that anything does happen to shift the election the very FIRST thing the leftist cult will do, ironically, is shout FRAUD!

Probably best to just follow the process and see what transpires.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:58 am

EliteKiller wrote:Targeting enemy combatants be they 'military' or 'terrorists' is nothing new for the USA ... been happening for decades.

The real issue for the USA is 90 days with no leadership - Trump is a feckwit with no power, Biden is the king of creating working-parties but again with no power - by the time January 25th comes around the US will be utterly trashed.


'will be utterly trashed'?
I think it already is - the US has been a laughing stock for years.
It's a giant lunatic asylum.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:08 pm

LMAO wrote:
Royal Gooner wrote:
UFGN wrote:That Iranian was an evil scumbag and deserved to get vaporised but you cant seriously claim it wasnt an act of war.


Like when Obama had Bin Laden killed on Pakistan soil without their permission?


Eh, bin Laden was more like al-Baghdadi*.

Soleimani was a major general of a UN member state we weren't/aren't at war/armed conflict with.

*Yeah, he blew himself up instead of being killed by US forces but that's a minor detail.


No, Soleimani was a major player in organising terrorist atrocities.
His job does not protect him from the consequences.
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Re: American Politics

Postby VCC » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:53 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
VCC wrote:Trumps new election slogan
Making the USA the new Nigeria


So what are you saying... that election fraud and rigging can't possibly exist, but then all of a sudden it can exist?
So it can only exist if Trump does it?

Seems to be much of the same BS to me.

The Trump cult shouting fraud and the leftist cult shouting no fraud.
What is plainly obvious if that anything does happen to shift the election the very FIRST thing the leftist cult will do, ironically, is shout FRAUD!

Probably best to just follow the process and see what transpires.

Trump has become a dictatorship, disagree with his thinking and you are sacked, he is doing what any sociopath does he is deflecting any cause of a loss, his handling of multiple issues shows his empathy,
I am over the man, man up show some dignity and f**k off.like any true leader would.
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