American Politics

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

There we go again with your conspiracy shit. Tiresome.

And Bernie basically wrote the rules of the primary this time.

So you don't agree that the deck was stacked against Bernie once again?

FFS, they brought Caravelle out of the Louisiana swamps to lead the charge and Chris Matthews et al jumped into action. All of the dropouts were due to pressure and timed perfectly to turn the tide before Tuesday. The whole party elite apparatus publically went mental over the prospect of a socialist winning the nomination. Hardly a conspiracy theory, like it or not, aware or not, it is reality.

And no Bernie did not write the rules, he was allowed a few changes mostly to calm the Bernie Bros and especially to avoid a third party run which Hillary was on about a few months ago. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/3 ... tes-110083

All Bernie was able to get changed was when the superdelegates could vote at the convention on the first ballot, and those superdelegates are not Bernie people. The fact that they are willing to change the rules again should Bernie have a plurality is right there in your face...but Bernie voters are suddenly willing to bend over to the likes of Hillary and Biden again? It is an utterly rudderless way to decide the course of the country. So are Bernie Bros really into socialism or just playing the flavor of the month game?

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

The reason superdelegates aren't on the first ballot is precisely down to Bernie pushing for that change after 2016.

And why was that important to him?

Because he was trying to beat out the DNC establishment who are willing to do anything to stop him again. Except that is a minor concession that might have repelled the rebellion to an extent but the DNC controls who the superdelegates are and how they will vote. That or they will simply change the rules again as they did when they threw the Bloomberg Hail Mary against Bernie, letting him into the debates...except that blew up when he was exposed to live questioning. If Bernie feels snubbed and hard done by consider what they are doing to Gabbard.

What sort of democracy is it when a party ignores it's voters, while pretending they have a say. They don't, and when the voters stray off the reservation they are told that they are stupid or only "voting as their husbands told them to" as Hillary claimed. That or they are Russian stooges.

But you are welcomed into the Biden camp now eh?

[Yago]

voters overwhelmingly turned out for Biden you f***ing moron, they're not being ignored

[EliteKiller]

Blimey the Bernie excuse club in full voice .... Bernie has a solid 35% of the Democratic vote .... that means he doesn't have 65%

You can spin that anyway you want but if the majority of that 65% get behind one candidate (Biden) then Sanders can't win, that's not a 'fix' that's just politics, endorsements, vote switching all part of the game which inevitably leads to a head-to-head, as in this case.

To win Sanders has to convince 16% of voters who don't vote for the liberal left, what chance does he have? Sure the DNC establishment are supporting the winning candidate, why wouldn't they ... Biden has an outside chance at beating Trump, Bernie has almost no chance ... which candidate are they supposed to support? If they supported Bernie they would be ignoring the majority of Democratic voters that's never going to happen.

The US outdated electoral system means running as an independent is almost impossible that's why you have a right wing Independent leading the Reps and a left wing Independent fighting a losing battle to lead the Dems ... until the system is changed with 60% of the population never voting for a socialist the choice will always be right v right ... let's face it the UK is just the same put up a left winger (Corbyn) and they get crushed. You can only make changes from within the system, all at once radical change? when did that last happen?

[LMAO]

The reason superdelegates aren't on the first ballot is precisely down to Bernie pushing for that change after 2016.

And why was that important to him?

Because he was trying to beat out the DNC establishment who are willing to do anything to stop him again. Except that is a minor concession that might have repelled the rebellion to an extent but the DNC controls who the superdelegates are and how they will vote. That or they will simply change the rules again as they did when they threw the Bloomberg Hail Mary against Bernie, letting him into the debates...except that blew up when he was exposed to live questioning. If Bernie feels snubbed and hard done by consider what they are doing to Gabbard.

What sort of democracy is it when a party ignores it's voters, while pretending they have a say. They don't, and when the voters stray off the reservation they are told that they are stupid or only "voting as their husbands told them to" as Hillary claimed. That or they are Russian stooges.

But you are welcomed into the Biden camp now eh?

wtf are you talking about? Getting rid of the superdelegates on the first ballot makes the process more fair. It gives the people the chance to decide the nominee. I guess it was the DNC that gave Biden a big win on Super Tuesday and not the people who turned out for him.

I prefer Sanders over Biden 1,000 out of 1,000 times, but what happened before ST is politics. I don't like it and would have preferred if Buttigieg and Klobuchar stayed in to siphon votes from Biden (and Warren to drop before ST to help Sanders) and give Sanders a huge win and a better path to the nomination, but Buttigieg and Klobuchar recognized they didn't have a path and coalesced with Biden and his campaign. If Rubio and Kasich weren't so stubborn and had done the same thing in 2016 and rallied around Cruz, then Trump wouldn't have been the Republican nominee. The moderate Democrats learned from the GOP's mistake.

[DiamondGooner]

Well its a shame, like in 2016 I'd of liked to have seen the clash of philosophies of Sanders vs Trump.

But it seems like Americans (majority) simply don't want free public services.

I respect their decision but it makes me respect the British electorate even more that they are willing to take the chance for change and to at least "try" another way.

I think the establishment and corporate money has too much sway over the typical American's thinking that they're brainwashed into not even wanting to fight back.

But then again if most Americans are happy with their lot including the general public having guns and no healthcare for everyone regardless of income then its your country and I respect your democratic right to live as you please.

So as of now I hope Trump crushes Biden.

I'm more for agents of change than the typical Dem full of sh*t candidate because they promise the earth and deliver a hand full of sand so I see them as even bigger hypocrites then the Repub's, at least with the Republicans you know what your going to get.

For example when Obama put on that Donkey show of a stunt in Flint regarding the water, I'd expect that from a Republican but not the "Savior" of the Democratic party and minorities, Obama was the worst example of selling the public a Pipe dream I've seen in modern politics, he didn't even "sell out" because he was never on the side of the people to begin with, his crime was that he's a good public speaker and used his race to fool the people into thinking otherwise.

............... and Americans ate that sh*t up.

That speech he did in Flint was one of the most disgraceful things I've ever seen in politics, the water taste stunt he did not once but twice while children were being poisoned was beyond reproach, honestly and I know these are strong words but if Obama was shot I wouldn't bat an eyelid, at least Kennedy truly gave a fk.

Over here we vote people in its purely on policies, we don't care if its a woman, man or black, white or green, if we believe you'll deliver, your in, we don't go for hype politics.

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

voters overwhelmingly turned out for Biden you f***ing moron, they're not being ignored

Firstly, when you lose your rag and depend on insults you have no valid position, so please grow up. Secondly it is really quite hilarious to be called a "f***ing moron" by someone who missed the whole point by a mile. I suggest you try a bit of basic comprehension and develop your communication skills.


Bernie voters concerns have been not only ignored but actively rejected by the Dem Party. The Dem party rolled out the old demonization play book and intransigeants like you Yago seem to swallow their corrupt messaging like swine to slop.

[UFGN]

voters overwhelmingly turned out for Biden you f***ing moron, they're not being ignored

Firstly, when you lose your rag and depend on insults you have no valid position, so please grow up. Secondly it is really quite hilarious to be called a "f***ing moron" by someone who missed the whole point by a mile. I suggest you try a bit of basic comprehension and develop your communication skills.


Bernie voters concerns have been not only ignored but actively rejected by the Dem Party. The Dem party rolled out the old demonization play book and intransigeants like you Yago seem to swallow their corrupt messaging like swine to slop.

Im sorry are you accusing someone else of swallowing a "demonization playbook," whatever that is? Whatever it is, I think you eat a library full every morning

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

...it seems like Americans (majority) simply don't want free public services.[/b]

I respect their decision but it makes me respect the British electorate even more that they are willing to take the chance for change and to at least "try" another way.

That is very clear, but too big a claim to include all public services. Americans support a strong social safety net but oppose creating welfare dependence. Why try a "different way" when 90% are satisfied with their lives and lot? DG, the media coverage of America in the UK and to very great extent within the the US media elite is so distorted and biased that most of us do not even recognize WTF they are on about.

I think the establishment and corporate money has too much sway over the typical American's thinking that they're brainwashed into not even wanting to fight back.

This is utterly false. You are making excuses and assumptions for why others may not agree with you rather than accepting they view of life, their owns lives. Americans fight for the their Constitutional rights a against those who wish to curtail them.

But then again if most Americans are happy with their lot including the general public having guns and no healthcare for everyone regardless of income then its your country and I respect your democratic right to live as you please.

Well thank you!

But you are still confusing healthcare with health insurance coverage. Nobody is turned away for care and over a third of the population is covered by programmes a such as Medicare in which we contributed to though FICA taxes over our working years. The poor and incapacitated are covered by Medicaid. Those who choose to live outside the system, either illegal immigrants or simply those who are maladapted to life by law can just show up at an ER and be treated at no cost to them...but then the rest of pay the costs.

So as of now I hope Trump crushes Biden.

He will.

I'm more for agents of change than the typical Dem full of sh*t candidate because they promise the earth and deliver a hand full of sand so I see them as even bigger hypocrites then the Repub's, at least with the Republicans you know what your going to get.

For example when Obama put on that Donkey show of a stunt in Flint regarding the water, I'd expect that from a Republican but not the "Savior" of the Democratic party and minorities, Obama was the worst example of selling the public a Pipe dream I've seen in modern politics, he didn't even "sell out" because he was never on the side of the people to begin with, his crime was that he's a good public speaker and used his race to fool the people into thinking otherwise.

............... and Americans ate that sh*t up.

That speech he did in Flint was one of the most disgraceful things I've ever seen in politics, the water taste stunt he did not once but twice while children were being poisoned was beyond reproach, honestly and I know these are strong words but if Obama was shot I wouldn't bat an eyelid, at least Kennedy truly gave a fk.

Over here we vote people in its purely on policies, we don't care if its a woman, man or black, white or green, if we believe you'll deliver, your in, we don't go for hype politics

Obama was a figurehead from the start. He was groomed, set up financially, politically funded and bought/paid for in Chicago by the powers that be including Bill Ayers, Resko and David Axelrod amongst others. Yes too many people bought into that as some generic populist home grown movement while in reality it was a power play by the far left.

Flint is just the tip of the iceberg. Every urban area (and Indian reservation) run by the Dem party from Baltimore to San Francisco with a hundred Flints between is ridden with corrupt inept generational leadership which has destroyed the infrastructure, race relations and livability. Obama did responded to Flint by having his EPA cover up the problem until it could not be covered up any longer. The same tactic was used in Durango when they released millions of gallons of mining waste water into the river...and Obama and the EPA went silent and waited for the news cycle to change.

And no, we do not want any politician or anyone for that matter to be shot. But objectively viewing and evaluating their positions, motivations and especially results is the reasonable
path.

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

voters overwhelmingly turned out for Biden you f***ing moron, they're not being ignored

Firstly, when you lose your rag and depend on insults you have no valid position, so please grow up. Secondly it is really quite hilarious to be called a "f***ing moron" by someone who missed the whole point by a mile. I suggest you try a bit of basic comprehension and develop your communication skills.


Bernie voters concerns have been not only ignored but actively rejected by the Dem Party. The Dem party rolled out the old demonization play book and intransigeants like you Yago seem to swallow their corrupt messaging like swine to slop.

Im sorry are you accusing someone else of swallowing a "demonization playbook," whatever that is? Whatever it is, I think you eat a library full every morning

It's not that complicated. The DNC accuses everyone that opposes them of being Russian assets or corporate stooges or whatever the talking point of the day is. They try it on Trump, they used it on Bernie, they destroyed Tulsi. Wake up.

[UFGN]

voters overwhelmingly turned out for Biden you f***ing moron, they're not being ignored

Firstly, when you lose your rag and depend on insults you have no valid position, so please grow up. Secondly it is really quite hilarious to be called a "f***ing moron" by someone who missed the whole point by a mile. I suggest you try a bit of basic comprehension and develop your communication skills.


Bernie voters concerns have been not only ignored but actively rejected by the Dem Party. The Dem party rolled out the old demonization play book and intransigeants like you Yago seem to swallow their corrupt messaging like swine to slop.

Im sorry are you accusing someone else of swallowing a "demonization playbook," whatever that is? Whatever it is, I think you eat a library full every morning

It's not that complicated. The DNC accuses everyone that opposes them of being Russian assets or corporate stooges or whatever the talking point of the day is. They try it on Trump, they used it on Bernie, they destroyed Tulsi. Wake up.

And you mouth off about communism like a government automaton. Ive never in my life seen someone drink the establishment kool-aid to the same extent.

Youre literally an agent of THE MAN

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

And you mouth off about communism like a government automaton. Ive never in my life seen someone drink the establishment kool-aid to the same extent.

Youre literally an agent of THE MAN

Please reference your unsubstantiated claim about me.

Hey, perhaps I am the "man"?

[UFGN]

And you mouth off about communism like a government automaton. Ive never in my life seen someone drink the establishment kool-aid to the same extent.

Youre literally an agent of THE MAN

Please reference your unsubstantiated claim about me.

Hey, perhaps I am the "man"?

Your regular labeling of Bernie as some kind of extremist, and your panicking over the DSA and labeling them as "communists" and "fanatics" is well documented on here

You see, what people in your position dont understand is that you can just as easily be labelled a fanatic or an extremist.

You hope to deny your fellow countrymen free healthcare in the name of capitalism

You support a billionaire extreme capitalist as President

And finally, you even picked up.a gun and went to kill foreigners because the government told you to

See? Easy to label someone as an extremist if you want to isn't it?

Bernie is just as close to the true centre of politics as Trump is.

[UFGN]

Bill Clinton, who became president 27 years ago, is younger than both Bernie and Trump

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

Your regular labeling of Bernie as some kind of extremist, and your panicking over the DSA and labeling them as "communists" and "fanatics" is well documented on here

Except I referenced and posted what the DSA and Communists of America have said in support of Sanders, I have posted exactly what Sanders beliefs as his record is long and undistinguished and I have personal experience working with his fellows in DC back in the day when he was considered a nut job Socialist cum Communist by himself and by his peers. I have documented his decades of support for the likes of Castro, Morales, Muduro, et al and his continued unabashed support and excuse making for such regimes. I guess you missed that Donna Shalala warned about his politics just last week? Just because you do not think Bernie's brand of socialism is not extreme does not mean you are correct. In fact you are proven wrong just about every day and then resort to crying and name calling...but I would have a beer with you anytime I am in London.

You see, what people in your position dont understand is that you can just as easily be labelled a fanatic or an extremist.

You hope to deny your fellow countrymen free healthcare in the name of capitalism

You support a billionaire extreme capitalist as President

And finally, you even picked up.a gun and went to kill foreigners because the government told you to

See? Easy to label someone as an extremist if you want to isn't it?

Bernie is just as close to the true centre of politics as Trump is.

You sir are an emotional wreck. And sadly one who really has a tenuous tie to reality. Projection is your game son, and when you were a tourist in Orlando and were convinced by your own biases to assume for yourself as to why a waitress was white and a cook was black...did you ever consider that perhaps those were the jobs they did well or wanted? How condescending and presumptuous of you in that example, and above. Can you imagine the reaction you would have elicited had you actually inserted yourself as a "do gooder social warrior" and actually asked THEM? The reaction might well have been a You Tube classic. The irony irony in all this is that Bernie Bros are being labeled as condescending white liberal bigots by the Dems now! Does the shoe fit? (I have no idea what race you are nor do I care.)

Here is life tip. Accept that there are a wide range of opinions held, and just because you fail on the tolerance scale and have an entrenched "my way or the highway mentality" it hardly gives you right to label others as evil now does it? Well actually you have that right, but taking such intransigent stances as you do and assigning moral judgement based on your biased projection sadly makes you a bigot. A harmless bigot, as only bigots that have influence really matter that much. But I feel for you dude. It has to hard to be so bitter. Heal please.

On the last point I highlighted. This is an utterly ignorant (not a progoritive use of the word ignorant but rather how it should be used) statement given the reality that they are night and day on policy...yet Trump's positions do mirror many of Obama's and the DNC platform from a few years back. If you want to try to explain Trump policies vs Sanders please have at it.

Have a great weekend.