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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:21 am

Yago wrote: There was no "f***ing over Bernie". He lost because he wasn't that great a candidate and would've lost to Trump either way. I f***ing hope he's not thinking about running again.


The Dems were always going to run Hillary, it came as a huge surprise when Bernie suddenly looked like upsetting their plans, partly because of the monies already raised, partly because of planned endorsements, and partly because Bernie was not an official Democrat. The entire DNC machine was rolled out behind Hilary ...

This wasn't 'rigging' it was just politics .... there is hardly a Democratic on the planet who doesn't admit that without the backing of the party machine Hillary would have lost to Bernie .... but that's the way it played out ....

Would Bernie have lost to Trump? nobody knows and you certainly can't say for sure that he would ..... would he beat Trump in 2020? at the moment it's doubtful any Dem will beat Trump the way things are currently going ... if the Dems don't win big next month, then they've got little chance in 2020 ...
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Re: American Politics

Postby Yago » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:40 am

EliteKiller wrote:
Yago wrote: There was no "f***ing over Bernie". He lost because he wasn't that great a candidate and would've lost to Trump either way. I f***ing hope he's not thinking about running again.


The Dems were always going to run Hillary, it came as a huge surprise when Bernie suddenly looked like upsetting their plans, partly because of the monies already raised, partly because of planned endorsements, and partly because Bernie was not an official Democrat. The entire DNC machine was rolled out behind Hilary ...

This wasn't 'rigging' it was just politics .... there is hardly a Democratic on the planet who doesn't admit that without the backing of the party machine Hillary would have lost to Bernie .... but that's the way it played out ....

Would Bernie have lost to Trump? nobody knows and you certainly can't say for sure that he would ..... would he beat Trump in 2020? at the moment it's doubtful any Dem will beat Trump the way things are currently going ... if the Dems don't win big next month, then they've got little chance in 2020 ...


The conservatives had been campaigning against Hillary for years. They didn't see Bernie as a threat, and even made use of him to further attack Hillary. Had he won, they would have immediately turned their Fox propaganda machine against him. Fear-mongering about taking away guns, raising taxes and screaming SOCIALIST would've been quite effective.

Other than that, I disagree with Hillary not winning without the "party machine" as I think you overstate of how much importance it was, but I don't think it's worth debating any further. What's done's done. Hillary won't run again, Bernie shouldn't and let's hope we get to see a decent candidate rise to the occasion.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:23 pm

Va-Va-Voom wrote:Can't tell if you're trolling or seriously asking why a wrestler/action movie star wouldn't be fit for Presidency.


Why not? Worked for Trump.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Phil71 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:10 pm

Trump is a businessman though. The Rock is a wrestler.

The UK equivalent would be like comparing Alan Sugar to Giant Haystacks.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:31 pm

Phil71 wrote:Trump is a businessman though. The Rock is a wrestler.

The UK equivalent would be like comparing Alan Sugar to Giant Haystacks.



While I do agree consider this:

A disproportionate amount of MPs and Prime Ministers have been barristers

What exactly makes barristers so qualified to run a country?

It only means that they are usually good speakers and have good powers of persuasion.... but that doesn't make them right
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Re: American Politics

Postby Phil71 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:37 pm

UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:Trump is a businessman though. The Rock is a wrestler.

The UK equivalent would be like comparing Alan Sugar to Giant Haystacks.



While I do agree consider this:

A disproportionate amount of MPs and Prime Ministers have been barristers

What exactly makes barristers so qualified to run a country?

It only means that they are usually good speakers and have good powers of persuasion.... but that doesn't make them right


First thoughts are that they're well educated, and they are familiar with the law.

I guess that's very useful when considering new laws or changes to the current laws, which parliament very often have to do.

Also, a lot of the stuff brought to them by constituents probably has a legal angle to it.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:53 pm

Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:Trump is a businessman though. The Rock is a wrestler.

The UK equivalent would be like comparing Alan Sugar to Giant Haystacks.



While I do agree consider this:

A disproportionate amount of MPs and Prime Ministers have been barristers

What exactly makes barristers so qualified to run a country?

It only means that they are usually good speakers and have good powers of persuasion.... but that doesn't make them right


First thoughts are that they're well educated, and they are familiar with the law.

I guess that's very useful when considering new laws or changes to the current laws, which parliament very often have to do.

Also, a lot of the stuff brought to them by constituents probably has a legal angle to it.


The last sentence is a good point. Most constituents can't afford to see a barrister (actually you can't anyway unless through a solicitor) so it's a good alternative route of access
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Re: American Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:34 pm

UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Phil71 wrote:Trump is a businessman though. The Rock is a wrestler.

The UK equivalent would be like comparing Alan Sugar to Giant Haystacks.



While I do agree consider this:

A disproportionate amount of MPs and Prime Ministers have been barristers

What exactly makes barristers so qualified to run a country?

It only means that they are usually good speakers and have good powers of persuasion.... but that doesn't make them right


First thoughts are that they're well educated, and they are familiar with the law.

I guess that's very useful when considering new laws or changes to the current laws, which parliament very often have to do.

Also, a lot of the stuff brought to them by constituents probably has a legal angle to it.


The last sentence is a good point. Most constituents can't afford to see a barrister (actually you can't anyway unless through a solicitor) so it's a good alternative route of access

https://www.barcouncil.org.uk/using-a-b ... ic-access/

Actually you don't need to go through a solicitor any more. They've changed it.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Phil71 » Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:50 pm

Explosive devices sent to prominent Democrats and Liberals

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45969100
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Re: American Politics

Postby Yago » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:48 pm

CNN's NY office too. Odds on any republican uttering the word terrorism are currently at 50/1
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Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:11 pm

It's settled then. Republicans are losing the house majority AND the senate majority.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Yago » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:30 pm

Jedi wrote:It's settled then. Republicans are losing the house majority AND the senate majority.


I'm afraid this won't change much. Losing the senate is improbable. Losing the house was already very likely.

The CNN one was addressed to John Brennan, CIA director between 2013 and 2017 and big Trump critic.
Add Cuomo to the list btw, he also got a bomb. And Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

I wonder what the link is?????
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Re: American Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:18 pm

Some will probably argue this was either a false flag operation or some nutter with far right views thinking it's clever to try and copy terrorist tactics.


I'm going for the latter. This is most appalling.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pudpop » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:44 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:Some will probably argue this was either a false flag operation or some nutter with far right views thinking it's clever to try and copy terrorist tactics.


I'm going for the latter. This is most appalling.
They are not copying terrorist tactics. This is terrorism.
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:21 pm

Pudpop wrote:
Royal Gooner wrote:Some will probably argue this was either a false flag operation or some nutter with far right views thinking it's clever to try and copy terrorist tactics.


I'm going for the latter. This is most appalling.
They are not copying terrorist tactics. This is terrorism.


I don't know who or what organization is doing this, but I won't be surprised if it's from the right wing. But it's okay though because once it comes out that they're white, it'll only be mental illness or a misguided soul :rolleyes:

Like I've frequently said, right wing terrorism has killed many more people here in the US than any other form of terrorism. Dunno why some people, in their white-dominanted evangelical enclaves, are so afraid of the brown guy when they'd do better to place their concerns in a right wing, white, Christian male since a person of that profile is far more likely to commit an act of terror than Hassan from five states over. This is what happens when you live in a homogeneous area and are constantly spoonfed fear instead of living in a diverse area and seeing that people of differing backgrounds actually aren't all that different.
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