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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:41 pm

If Apple allow Governments to break into encrypted phones, it would mean effectively writing a flaw into the core software. This would eventually be accessible to any determined hacker. Security of information, including that held on Apple devices by security services, Army and police would be vulnerable.

That is a worse situation than the status quo
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Re: American Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:11 pm

They've got so much information on us now I don't know how people do crimes these days.

Was watching this one programme about this guy who was a lodger at his friends house and he started an affair with his underage daughter, when he tried to call it off with her she threatend to spill so he arranged to meet her at this woodland and killed her ............

The police got ear shot of it, and while he was denying it they just tracked his phone because everyones mobiles are connected to the internet so give off a ping so they can basically track your whereabouts.
Anyway they found her body because one of his pings was at the mouth of this woodland area and they searched it.

We're literally carrying tracking devices on us all day and I know this because Google emailed me saying "Here's your memories for 2020 of last year, you were here ......here.......here .......here".

I went to setttings and switched that sh*t off ( didn't even know it was on) I've got nothing to hide but I think its breaking my rights of privacy to be tracked like this, I never authorized it but your being tracked through about 5 apps let alone the ping so its useless trying to have your privacy.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:35 pm

UFGN wrote:If Apple allow Governments to break into encrypted phones, it would mean effectively writing a flaw into the core software. This would eventually be accessible to any determined hacker. Security of information, including that held on Apple devices by security services, Army and police would be vulnerable.

That is a worse situation than the status quo


You fail to understand the tech or the software - off course Apple can open any encrypted phone it's their code - they don't need to add anything. If they couldn't already do it why would the FBI be asking? In case you were wondering how they do it they just force overwrite the iOS security with an encryption free version, it's this encryption free version that they rightly refuse to provide to the FBI.

In the San Bernardino cast the FBI dropped their request for an encryption free iOS after securing one from a private vendor, at that point the FBI could access any Apple phone on the planet. Apple have since released new versions of iOS but anyone not running upgrades is already an open door to the FBI ... and no doubt the Russians, Chinese, Israelis, UK and many more security forces as well.

Your premise that nobody should have access to encrypted data is off course valid, but your naive belief that they already don't is laughable. The question you should be asking is should only Apple have that access or should a court be able to grant access to the US government?

Just as Alphabet have been mining private data for years so do Apple, you give them permission the moment you accept the T's and C's, encryption only works for outsiders it wouldn't stop Apple.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:40 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:They've got so much information on us now I don't know how people do crimes these days.

Was watching this one programme about this guy who was a lodger at his friends house and he started an affair with his underage daughter, when he tried to call it off with her she threatend to spill so he arranged to meet her at this woodland and killed her ............

The police got ear shot of it, and while he was denying it they just tracked his phone because everyones mobiles are connected to the internet so give off a ping so they can basically track your whereabouts.
Anyway they found her body because one of his pings was at the mouth of this woodland area and they searched it.

We're literally carrying tracking devices on us all day and I know this because Google emailed me saying "Here's your memories for 2020 of last year, you were here ......here.......here .......here".

I went to setttings and switched that sh*t off ( didn't even know it was on) I've got nothing to hide but I think its breaking my rights of privacy to be tracked like this, I never authorized it but your being tracked through about 5 apps let alone the ping so its useless trying to have your privacy.


Bad news for you DG you can't turn it off, you can restrict who has access to it but your phone is still being tracked, the moment you connect to and tower, signal box, or modem that information is stored whether you like it or not. If you're going to go burying underage girls leave your phone at home.
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:04 am

EliteKiller wrote:off course Apple can open any encrypted phone it's their code - they don't need to add anything. If they couldn't already do it why would the FBI be asking? In case you were wondering how they do it they just force overwrite the iOS security with an encryption free version, it's this encryption free version that they rightly refuse to provide to the FBI.


Apple doesn't even need to do that. The decryption keys are already on Apple's servers.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:17 am

EliteKiller wrote:
UFGN wrote:If Apple allow Governments to break into encrypted phones, it would mean effectively writing a flaw into the core software. This would eventually be accessible to any determined hacker. Security of information, including that held on Apple devices by security services, Army and police would be vulnerable.

That is a worse situation than the status quo


You fail to understand the tech or the software - off course Apple can open any encrypted phone it's their code - they don't need to add anything. If they couldn't already do it why would the FBI be asking? In case you were wondering how they do it they just force overwrite the iOS security with an encryption free version, it's this encryption free version that they rightly refuse to provide to the FBI.

In the San Bernardino cast the FBI dropped their request for an encryption free iOS after securing one from a private vendor, at that point the FBI could access any Apple phone on the planet. Apple have since released new versions of iOS but anyone not running upgrades is already an open door to the FBI ... and no doubt the Russians, Chinese, Israelis, UK and many more security forces as well.

Your premise that nobody should have access to encrypted data is off course valid, but your naive belief that they already don't is laughable. The question you should be asking is should only Apple have that access or should a court be able to grant access to the US government?

Just as Alphabet have been mining private data for years so do Apple, you give them permission the moment you accept the T's and C's, encryption only works for outsiders it wouldn't stop Apple.


The reason I want you to stop replying to my posts is that every single f***ing time you do you are completely incapable of understanding the broad meaning of what you are replying to, and absolutely not worth the effort to correct.

Whether this is through ignorance, arrogance, or simple problems with comprehension, I dont know, and I don't care.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:00 am

UFGN wrote:The reason I want you to stop replying to my posts is that every single f***ing time you do you are completely incapable of understanding the broad meaning of what you are replying to, and absolutely not worth the effort to correct.

Whether this is through ignorance, arrogance, or simple problems with comprehension, I dont know, and I don't care.


I do ignore 90% of your drivel .. face it we all do

But when you post something that is factually inaccurate then you should welcome that mistake being corrected ... of course you don't you just dive into one of your childish nonsensical rants ... if you want to be left alone then stop posting outright lies ... simple.

If my posts are incorrect I have no problem with you pointing out genuine errors - just don't always resort to insults and abuse - trying being a better you in 2020, let's all get along. .
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:06 am

EliteKiller wrote:
UFGN wrote:The reason I want you to stop replying to my posts is that every single f***ing time you do you are completely incapable of understanding the broad meaning of what you are replying to, and absolutely not worth the effort to correct.

Whether this is through ignorance, arrogance, or simple problems with comprehension, I dont know, and I don't care.


I do ignore 90% of your drivel .. face it we all do

But when you post something that is factually inaccurate then you should welcome that mistake being corrected ... of course you don't you just dive into one of your childish nonsensical rants ... if you want to be left alone then stop posting outright lies ... simple.


I told you to stop answering my posts. Obay the instructions of the moderators or get the f**k off this site.

You dont understand why what I wrote already covers your response

Others will understand perfectly well

I couldn't give a f**k what you think or if you think at all.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:28 am

Sorry mods seems I set him off again ... I thought my reply which carefully avoided any abuse or insult whilst giving the accurate information would be OK, seems not ... maybe he's just PMS today. Delete posts if you wish LMAO covered the same point anyway.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:44 am

EliteKiller wrote:Sorry mods seems I set him off again ... I thought my reply which carefully avoided any abuse or insult whilst giving the accurate information would be OK, seems not ... maybe he's just PMS today. Delete posts if you wish LMAO covered the same point anyway.


The point is I do not wish to converse with you. You have been told not to reply to me. I do not wish to converse with you because you have a long history of failing to grasp to the crux of what is being said, either deliberately or through ignorance, and then requiring multiple replies beyond what is reasonable to explain

You are arrogant and manipulative, and this the crux of the issue

I have nothing more to say to you now or ever, and that includes the next time you decide to arrogantly think that this doesn't apply anymore. Where you are concerned, it always will.
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:34 am

LMAO wrote:
Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:Last week three separate political polls (one left wing and two middle of the road) in the US put black support for Trump at 34%, up from 8% three years ago. After five decades of liberal policies that have seen inner cities rotting away and stagnate job opportunities black voters are seeing the difference in their pocket books and lives.


So black support has gone up tremendously but his overall approval rating has remained the same? Yeah, I'm calling faulty polling.

And maybe half of my family is a terrible sample, but no one approves of Trump and everyone sees him for the charlatan he is.


As I said, black people can't stand Trump. Relevant excerpt from recent WaPo/Ipsos poll backing my point:
Black Americans want to see President Trump voted out of office in 2020— with 93% of African Americans preferring any of the Democratic candidates over the President.

And look. That 8% support from three years ago just about matches the 7% of black voters who said they prefer him. Funny that.

Link to full poll (note: I don't know if this will automatically download but I didn't have a problem with it): https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/fil ... elease.pdf

Relevant questions from the poll:
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:49 am

On both sides of the pond we have a situation where cheerleaders of the Right are carrying on like they have kicked the centre left into the long grass, that they have the public opinion on their side on most issues and that this is some sort of validation of their politics

In both cases, against weak opposition, they've had very far from conclusive numbers

In America the Pubbers won on a minority vote

In the UK the Cons got 80 more seats.... off the back of 300,000 extra votes, thanks to FPTP

For all the talk of the Left needing to change, the Right need to check over their shoulder and stop kidding themselves they have the public mood with them.
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:48 am

UFGN wrote:On both sides of the pond we have a situation where cheerleaders of the Right are carrying on like they have kicked the centre left into the long grass, that they have the public opinion on their side on most issues and that this is some sort of validation of their politics

In both cases, against weak opposition, they've had very far from conclusive numbers

In America the Pubbers won on a minority vote

In the UK the Cons got 80 more seats.... off the back of 300,000 extra votes, thanks to FPTP

For all the talk of the Left needing to change, the Right need to check over their shoulder and stop kidding themselves they have the public mood with them.


To add, gerrymandering is also a huge problem in America.

2016 House election:
Democrats: 61,776,554 votes (48.0%)
Republicans: 63,173,815 votes (49.1%)

2018 House election:
Democrats: 60,572,245 votes (53.4%)
Republicans: 50,861,970 votes (44.8%)

Number of seats won:
2016: 194 D - 241 R
2018: 235 D - 199 R

SMH

But yeah, I think what we're seeing with the right lashing out are its death throes. The younger generations (Millennials and Gen Z) are overwhelmingly and undeniably left of center because of all the right wing lies we've seen and had to put up with growing up. And in 20 years, we're going to see a massive shift left.

For now though, I'm just counting down the days until Texas finally turns blue. Maybe that'll finally be the day Republicans wake up and shift left from their current positions.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:51 am

UFGN wrote:The point is I do not wish to converse with you. You have been told not to reply to me. I do not wish to converse with you because you have a long history of failing to grasp to the crux of what is being said, either deliberately or through ignorance, and then requiring multiple replies beyond what is reasonable to explain.


Lol you do see the irony in posting this statement "I do not wish to converse with you" .... :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:

Be a man of your word and don't converse ... bet you can't.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:02 am

LMAO wrote:But yeah, I think what we're seeing with the right lashing out are its death throes. The younger generations (Millennials and Gen Z) are overwhelmingly and undeniably left of center because of all the right wing lies we've seen and had to put up with growing up. And in 20 years, we're going to see a massive shift left.

For now though, I'm just counting down the days until Texas finally turns blue. Maybe that'll finally be the day Republicans wake up and shift left from their current positions.


The younger generation since the 1960's have always been overwhelmingly and undeniably left of centre, they simply grow out of believing in Father Christmas, the Easter Bunny and Socialism ... for those of us old enough we've heard "in 20 years, we're going to see a massive shift left" every decade for sixty years and yet if anything the world is more capitalist right wing than ever.

There needs to be decent opposition, but "more radical" is not the answer either in the UK as Corbyn just found out or in the US when you stupidly re-elect Trump in 2020 - not because he's no longer an Orange Buffoon but because the left simply can't muster a decent alternative, seriously how bad must you be when you can't beat Boris and Trump?

If some people paid attention rather than howling at the moon Boris has already made some fairly dramatic left turn promises for the Tories, the proof will be in actions not words but just maybe the Tories are going to move into that enormous vacuum now at the centre of UK politics ... if they do Labour has nowhere to go despite the younger generations (Millennials and Gen Z) being overwhelmingly and undeniably left of centre, you can't win an election with children ... and you never will.
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