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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:30 am

LMAO wrote:
Va-Va-Voom wrote:Wow Jayram really ran with "Trump hating antifa" based on a flag in the back?

Lmfao


That's not the best part.

Yesterday he was talking about that guy with the flag being some "Antifa brown shirt" because he had a "big Antifa flag on his wall".

...it was an anarchy flag.

:rofll:

How tf are you gonna come on here puffing your chest out and not get that simple detail right? ffs


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Yeah - looks like just the kind of guy who would be influenced to kidnap someone because of a Trump tweet as you fools suggested.

Oh look - an Antifa rally with the same symbol...
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Oh look, another, this time in Seattle..
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Oh look, yet another...this time with the same anti-Trump rhetoric the ring leader of kidnap plot was spouting..next to the same symbol he was so proudly displaying.
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More, this time in Berkeley..
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Sorry lads - own your own brownshirts.

Your narrative has been debunked. You peddled left wing media bollocks and tried to pin an kidnap attempt by a group that actually hates Trump on a Trump tweet - utterly ridiculous - and you have the bare faced cheek to keep spinning your ridiculous accusation.

Here is a little truth for you - Antifa is not just an idea (lol) and they are not 'anti-facists'. They are a collection of anarchists who have been embraced by the radical left to destroy the system of govt in the USA. Own it and stop trying to blame others for their behaviour. Perhaps if you stopped pretending Antifa didn't exist and condemned them for their disgusting behaviour, you'd be less culpable for encouraging the kind of behaviour - like kidnap attempts, murder, looting, rioting - that Antifa are now engaged in.

You have to be some kind of halfwit to even suggest that the kidnap attempt on Whitmer had ANYTHING to do with Trump.
Perhaps the most laughable of all is that you think these anarchist scum are not part of the whole Antifa spectacle. As if they are separate groups with different agendas out tearing the country apart. :lol:
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Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:25 pm

Ok, Jayram. The guys that celebrated Kyle Rittenhouse shooting protestors are actually aligned with BLM and Antifa.

Whatever you say, buddy. You win. Just take your meds now.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Slick » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:34 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Callum wrote:I feel like one of the Trump spawn will run, although Donald may run again himself. I don't think Trumpism will disappear overnight, even if he loses heavily.


If Trump loses it will mean 4 years of socialism in America. That almost certain disaster will pave the way for 2 decades of Trumps.


If Democrats really wanted socialism, Bernie Sanders would have been the nominee. People fail to realize that the large majority of voters in the US are moderates. Biden won the nomination because he is NOT a socialist.
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Re: American Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:47 pm

LMAO wrote:
Callum wrote:Fun one for our centrists here: https://www.politicalcompass.org/


If you're going to do the political compass, then don't use that one. As I noted before and Jedi has, the questions are libleft biased and there's no neutral option for its loaded questions.

Use this instead:
https://sapplyvalues.github.io/

Also has the cultural axis, which allows for a more holistic capturing of views.


So I used that one and even though it slightly flipped my dot to the upper side, I'm still as central as it gets, not like I haven't been telling people this for ages anyway.
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Re: American Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:51 pm

This was the result from the older one ............

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I think the newer one maybe slightly more accurate but both are not far off each other so I feel my results are pretty consistent.

The new one has better answers though like Neutral which I used about 3-4 times, the other one forces a false answer so the new one is better imo.

From what I'm seeing from mine and Jedi's results, I actually think the Progression / Conservative stick measurement is probably a more accurate indicator than anything else.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:01 pm

Jedi wrote:Ok, Jayram. The guys that celebrated Kyle Rittenhouse shooting protestors are actually aligned with BLM and Antifa.

Whatever you say, buddy. You win. Just take your meds now.


The anarchist guys, with Antifa symbols plastered on their walls, that spout hatred for the Govt and particularly Trump somehow got influenced by a Trump statement about the Proud Boys to try and kidnap Whitmer... hmm yeah.. ok Jedi - keep taking those meds...in fact see your doctor to get a stronger prescription.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:22 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
LMAO wrote:
Va-Va-Voom wrote:Wow Jayram really ran with "Trump hating antifa" based on a flag in the back?

Lmfao


That's not the best part.

Yesterday he was talking about that guy with the flag being some "Antifa brown shirt" because he had a "big Antifa flag on his wall".

...it was an anarchy flag.

:rofll:

How tf are you gonna come on here puffing your chest out and not get that simple detail right? ffs


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Yeah - looks like just the kind of guy who would be influenced to kidnap someone because of a Trump tweet as you fools suggested.

Oh look - an Antifa rally with the same symbol...
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Oh look, another, this time in Seattle..
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Oh look, yet another...this time with the same anti-Trump rhetoric the ring leader of kidnap plot was spouting..next to the same symbol he was so proudly displaying.
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More, this time in Berkeley..
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Sorry lads - own your own brownshirts.

Your narrative has been debunked. You peddled left wing media bollocks and tried to pin an kidnap attempt by a group that actually hates Trump on a Trump tweet - utterly ridiculous - and you have the bare faced cheek to keep spinning your ridiculous accusation.

Here is a little truth for you - Antifa is not just an idea (lol) and they are not 'anti-facists'. They are a collection of anarchists who have been embraced by the radical left to destroy the system of govt in the USA. Own it and stop trying to blame others for their behaviour. Perhaps if you stopped pretending Antifa didn't exist and condemned them for their disgusting behaviour, you'd be less culpable for encouraging the kind of behaviour - like kidnap attempts, murder, looting, rioting - that Antifa are now engaged in.

You have to be some kind of halfwit to even suggest that the kidnap attempt on Whitmer had ANYTHING to do with Trump.
Perhaps the most laughable of all is that you think these anarchist scum are not part of the whole Antifa spectacle. As if they are separate groups with different agendas out tearing the country apart. :lol:


Wait...Are you being serious?

This is the co founder -

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The co founder is literally wearing a Trump 2020 Keep America Great hat yet you have the audacity to say they hate Trump and tell us to "own our brown shirts"?

Embarrassing.
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Re: American Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:45 pm

To be honest the timing of this stinks.

Are you guys sure this isn't an op to influence the election?

What sort of idiots actually try to kidnap a politician and for what reason? the fact that these actions would actually hurt the side their claiming to be for is highly suspicious to me.

Its a stupid goal and could be a mole induced set up.

JayRam is right on one thing, Trump fans lean towards conservatism, why would a Trump fan have an Anarchy flag? the politics don't match up.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:53 pm

Va-Va-Voom wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
LMAO wrote:
Va-Va-Voom wrote:Wow Jayram really ran with "Trump hating antifa" based on a flag in the back?

Lmfao


That's not the best part.

Yesterday he was talking about that guy with the flag being some "Antifa brown shirt" because he had a "big Antifa flag on his wall".

...it was an anarchy flag.

:rofll:

How tf are you gonna come on here puffing your chest out and not get that simple detail right? ffs


Image

Yeah - looks like just the kind of guy who would be influenced to kidnap someone because of a Trump tweet as you fools suggested.

Oh look - an Antifa rally with the same symbol...
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Oh look, another, this time in Seattle..
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Oh look, yet another...this time with the same anti-Trump rhetoric the ring leader of kidnap plot was spouting..next to the same symbol he was so proudly displaying.
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More, this time in Berkeley..
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Sorry lads - own your own brownshirts.

Your narrative has been debunked. You peddled left wing media bollocks and tried to pin an kidnap attempt by a group that actually hates Trump on a Trump tweet - utterly ridiculous - and you have the bare faced cheek to keep spinning your ridiculous accusation.

Here is a little truth for you - Antifa is not just an idea (lol) and they are not 'anti-facists'. They are a collection of anarchists who have been embraced by the radical left to destroy the system of govt in the USA. Own it and stop trying to blame others for their behaviour. Perhaps if you stopped pretending Antifa didn't exist and condemned them for their disgusting behaviour, you'd be less culpable for encouraging the kind of behaviour - like kidnap attempts, murder, looting, rioting - that Antifa are now engaged in.

You have to be some kind of halfwit to even suggest that the kidnap attempt on Whitmer had ANYTHING to do with Trump.
Perhaps the most laughable of all is that you think these anarchist scum are not part of the whole Antifa spectacle. As if they are separate groups with different agendas out tearing the country apart. :lol:


Wait...Are you being serious?

This is the co founder -

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The co founder is literally wearing a Trump 2020 Keep America Great hat yet you have the audacity to say they hate Trump and tell us to "own our brown shirts"?

Embarrassing.


The ring leader of the plot was a Trump hating anarchist with Antifa symbols plastered on his wall - who posted a video slating Trump as a 'tyrant'.

Posts above of that loon..

Only a complete lunatic - more crazy than the plotters themselves - would take that guy and suggest he did it because of Trump , which is what you, amongst others, did on this thread. That is what extremists do.. take all the worlds ills and crimes and try and paste them onto their political opponents.

So far this incident has played out here as:

Left wing radicals - 'look.. a plot to kidnap a Governer - Trump's fault!'
Me - Er no, one of the leaders is clearly an anarchist displaying symbols we've seen all over Antifa marches, rioting and violence.
Left wing radicals - 'You right winger!'

You extremist types can't see anything past black and white.

You know who is to blame for the plot? The plotters - a collection of anarchists led by a guy who hates Trump.
No matter how hard you try to change reality, it's left wing extremists who have been rioting, killing, looting for the best part of 6 months. They are the problem - not the Proud Boys, not Trump supporters, not "right wingers", but left wing Antifa and BLM domestic terrorists.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:04 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:To be honest the timing of this stinks.

Are you guys sure this isn't an op to influence the election?

What sort of idiots actually try to kidnap a politician and for what reason? the fact that these actions would actually hurt the side their claiming to be for is highly suspicious to me.

Its a stupid goal and could be a mole induced set up.

JayRam is right on one thing, Trump fans lean towards conservatism, why would a Trump fan have an Anarchy flag? the politics don't match up.

Well the main problem is that neither you or Jayram know anything about politics.

If you had an interest in politics other than being outraged by the left you would know Anarcho-Capitalism exists as a far right ideology and you wouldn't have to concoct this insane conspiracy theory that is no different to someone saying the earth is flat or that the moon landing was faked.

At least one of them isn't a fan of Trump, but that doesn't mean he isn't far-right or god forbid that he's ANTIFA aligned.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:10 pm

Jedi wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:To be honest the timing of this stinks.

Are you guys sure this isn't an op to influence the election?

What sort of idiots actually try to kidnap a politician and for what reason? the fact that these actions would actually hurt the side their claiming to be for is highly suspicious to me.

Its a stupid goal and could be a mole induced set up.

JayRam is right on one thing, Trump fans lean towards conservatism, why would a Trump fan have an Anarchy flag? the politics don't match up.

Well the main problem is that neither you or Jayram know anything about politics.

If you had an interest in politics other than being outraged by the left you would know Anarcho-Capitalism exists as a far right ideology and you wouldn't have to concoct this insane conspiracy theory that is no different to someone saying the earth is flat or that the moon landing was faked.


Lol, the usual nonsense from you.

I am fully aware of that right wing extremism exists, but THE problem in the world as we have seen day in day out is left wing extremism. There is nothing you can do to change what we have all witnessed. The looting, rioting, killing, seizing of land and attempted creation of a new state in the middle of sodding Seattle.


Let me guess - everything we've seen with our own eyes is a conspiracy theory :rofll:
Antifa is just an idea, right??? As they loot , kill, burn and riot - just an idea.... :lol:

The anarchist using symbology seen in the Antifa riots, looting, killing I posted above was the ring leader of the kidnap plot. He specifically slated Trump and called him a tyrant. He was not acting because he was encouraged by Trump. You've not investigated this at all. You've just parroted the left wing media narrative because it suits you to do so.

Brandon Caserta expressing his anti-government — and anti-Trump — views.

Trump is not your friend, dude,” Caserta says, with an anarchist flag hanging behind him. “It amazes me that people actually, like, believe that when he’s shown over and over and over again that he’s a tyrant. Every single person that works for government is your enemy, dude.”


Video here:
https://nypost.com/2020/10/09/man-accus ... as-tyrant/

Once again, you have to a complete moron to think that he is a Trump brown shirt as you put it. You didn't just think it, you actually claimed it.

You're a radical, son. One day you'll grow out of it - I hope. Your first step to actually think for yourself and stop parroting the left wing media, which you do constantly. You know f*** all about politics. Your idea of politics is to smear political opposition incessantly. That makes you a useful idiot.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:15 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:To be honest the timing of this stinks.

Are you guys sure this isn't an op to influence the election?

What sort of idiots actually try to kidnap a politician and for what reason? the fact that these actions would actually hurt the side their claiming to be for is highly suspicious to me.

Its a stupid goal and could be a mole induced set up.

JayRam is right on one thing, Trump fans lean towards conservatism, why would a Trump fan have an Anarchy flag? the politics don't match up.


Exactly - no rational human being would look at that guy and conclude he did it because Trump mentioned the Proud Boys. Insane to even suggest it, but it's clear WHY is was said.. because an election is coming up and people trying to push their politics like to spout BS accusations.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:43 pm

jayramfootball wrote:He was not acting because he was encouraged by Trump. You've not investigated this at all. You've just parroted the left wing media narrative because it suits you to do so.

I never said he was. Another self own here because you're too lazy to read. I don't represent everyone who disagrees with you.

Typical motte-and-bailey fallacy. You try to pin this on Antifa, which isn't true because he's a far-right Anarcho Capitalist religious zealot that celebrated the deaths of BLM and Antifa protestors. But when you're pressed on it you retreat into the more tenable position which is "Trump didn't inspire them".

I don't know if Trump insipired them. It looks like at least one of them wasn't his fan. But that doesn't take anything away from the fact that they're right wing terrorists.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:47 pm

Jedi wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:He was not acting because he was encouraged by Trump. You've not investigated this at all. You've just parroted the left wing media narrative because it suits you to do so.

I never said he was. Another self own here because you're too lazy to read. I don't represent everyone who disagrees with you.

Typical motte-and-bailey fallacy. You try to pin this on Antifa, which isn't true because he's a far-right Anarcho Capitalist religious zealot that celebrated the deaths of BLM and Antifa protestors. But when you're pressed on it you retreat into the more tenable position which is "Trump didn't inspire them".

I don't know if Trump insipired them. It looks like at least one of them wasn't his fan. But that doesn't take anything away from the fact that they're right wing terrorists.


Right wing anarchist? :rofll:

I suppose it was those dastardly right wing anarchists rioting, looting and murdering for months on end in the streets

here's another shot of those right wingers...
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Yep, they were definitely looting and burning in the name of capitalism :lol:

Oh look there's that symbol again used by the leader of the kidnap plot.

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Here's another shot of those pesky capitalist right wingers...

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Here they are again - these capitalists sure do like that symbol.
I never knew Antifa was so pro capitalism.
I guess your knowledge of politics is really helping out here :rofll:

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You lunatic.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:59 pm

No, those are anarcho communists. We agree on that. The looting is done by leftists.

However the kidnapping was done by anarcho-capitalists which is a far right ideology.

Again, if these guys are pro Antifa/BLM why is he celebrating Kyle Rittenhouse killing them?

Please explain what is going on in your brain when you see this and you still maintain that he's ANTIFA aligned?
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