American Politics

[Royal Gooner]

I'd say its more of you give the "World Police" role to a country not mature enough to handle it. The British Empire did rather well in it up to the early part of the 20th century when we handed over the mantel when we bankrupted ourselves to stop Nazi tyranny.

Here you have a senile old man ordering the most ridiculous chaotic retreat and not even considering what else needed to be done for a successful evacuation. They've just handed high quality weapons to a bunch of angry barbarians who won't be afraid to use them. Just like the Zulus using British rifles in the Anglo-Zulu War once they got their hands on some.

[Phil71]

How some restaurants in America have reacted to the deaths of their soldiers.

The Red Osier in NY State



Sid's Garage in Idaho



DeBary Diner in Florida

[DiamondGooner]

^ Bit much though.

Everything in America is an opportunity for a political dig these days.

Soldiers dying is part of what they signed up for, again I admit, the utter stupidity of Biden is what caused it and can't be overlooked or forgiven imo and I stated this would start happening once the "Peaceful Dems" got back in power.

Real Dems and Republicans are war mongers, Trump for all his faults was an outsider and actively kept America out of it.

If you had to choose between trolling or saving lives .......... troll away, its ultimately harmless, Dems and Repubs invading countries and slaughtering thousands is not harmless.

I was no Trump fan ........... but so far it is what it is, bar a few silly reactionary moves he made, Trump is looking like the better President than Biden is or will be and Bidens only just started.

........... I mean how do you be worse than Trump? that takes some fkin doing but Biden has managed it and with ease, that is not a compliment.

[Royal Gooner]

Plus Trump was not a bad international peacemaker. I don't think he got the credit for Korea that he deserved.

[Phil71]

Should have listened to this guy back then and saved billions of dollars and thousands of lives.

[22-0]

no one will disagree that leaving was the right decision but the way it was handled is straight up treason. and now theyre trading a lot of the shit they conveniently left behind to iran... totally not setting up for another endless war.

[EliteKiller]

no one will disagree that leaving was the right decision but the way it was handled is straight up treason. and now theyre trading a lot of the shit they conveniently left behind to iran... totally not setting up for another endless war.

Heard from a very good Asian source that China have asked to refurbish Bagram in return for some use privileges - how ironic that a base built with US millions might end up being Chinese.

[22-0]

no one will disagree that leaving was the right decision but the way it was handled is straight up treason. and now theyre trading a lot of the shit they conveniently left behind to iran... totally not setting up for another endless war.

Heard from a very good Asian source that China have asked to refurbish Bagram in return for some use privileges - how ironic that a base built with US millions might end up being Chinese.

yep the alliances are forming for the next world war but these days no one believes anything like that can happen again.

[Rockape]

Soldiers dying is part of what they signed up for,

Soldiers don’t sign up to die! They sign up to risk their lives for their country, pretty much on the basis that they aren’t expected to throw their lives away needlessly, which is what happened recently.

[Phil71]

Soldiers dying is part of what they signed up for,

Soldiers don’t sign up to die! They sign up to risk their lives for their country, pretty much on the basis that they aren’t expected to throw their lives away needlessly, which is what happened recently.

Yep. If a soldier is going to die it should at least be for something.

For every soldier who has been killed, maimed or left with psychological problems having served in Afghanistan it has all been for nothing. Nothing.

Someone really needs to answer for that.

[DiamondGooner]

Soldiers dying is part of what they signed up for,

Soldiers don’t sign up to die! They sign up to risk their lives for their country, pretty much on the basis that they aren’t expected to throw their lives away needlessly, which is what happened recently.

........... it is "part" of what they signed up for.

What is the difference between your ".......sign up to risk their lives" and what I said?

Nothing, you've just put it in a more delicate way.

If you have a gun and your enemy has a gun, what do you think your signing up for exactly, a game of cuddles?

They signed up for combat, in combat someone can die once the bullets start flying, so how is that not "part" of what they signed up for exactly?

[Rockape]

They signed up for combat, in combat someone can die once the bullets start flying, so how is that not "part" of what they signed up for exactly?

Not all troops are combat soldiers, in fact they are in the minority. There are drivers, engineers, police, supplies, medics etc. However, even the combat troops are not signing up for suicide missions. Sure they know it’s a big risk, just like F1 drivers know it’s a big risk…..but they don’t expect to die.

[jayramfootball]

Soldiers dying is part of what they signed up for,

Soldiers don’t sign up to die! They sign up to risk their lives for their country, pretty much on the basis that they aren’t expected to throw their lives away needlessly, which is what happened recently.

........... it is "part" of what they signed up for.

What is the difference between your ".......sign up to risk their lives" and what I said?

Nothing, you've just put it in a more delicate way.

If you have a gun and your enemy has a gun, what do you think your signing up for exactly, a game of cuddles?

They signed up for combat, in combat someone can die once the bullets start flying, so how is that not "part" of what they signed up for exactly?

Well they signed up to defend the citizens of their country.
That is what a military is for.
The people who sign up rely on the people making decisions not to send them to die for no purpose whatsoever. That is not what they signed up for.
IMO there are for more Western military brass and leaders that should be on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Why are Tony Blair and George W not in prison, for example, along with all the others who lied and were directly responsible for the murder of millions of people.? That is a scandal

[DiamondGooner]

They signed up for combat, in combat someone can die once the bullets start flying, so how is that not "part" of what they signed up for exactly?

Not all troops are combat soldiers, in fact they are in the minority. There are drivers, engineers, police, supplies, medics etc. However, even the combat troops are not signing up for suicide missions. Sure they know it’s a big risk, just like F1 drivers know it’s a big risk…..but they don’t expect to die.

One, I'm talking about soldiers, two, who said anything about suicide missions however even that is subject to what their superiors tell them to do.

Was the beaches of Normandy not on some levels a suicide mission?

So what exactly are you trying to say?

What do you think soldiers do exactly? soldiers go into combat zones, they make war, unless the opposition is firing potato guns ............. what do you think can happen?

A soldier literally goes to war, but you think dying is not a part of the reality of their job, really? what recruitment ad did you get brainwashed by?

Do you know how I know I'm right? ............ do soldiers die in battle or on the job?

So I'm right then.

Honestly don't even know how this became a discussion.

[LMAO]

Called it. Absolutely disgraceful how even after 20 years in the country, leadership still fucks up.

Though, I'm glad we're finally out of Afghanistan and managed to evacuate all those people, but the ending could've definitely gone better.