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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:14 pm

UFGN wrote:^^

As you said, the biggest problem in the US is the system itself. A healthy democracy of the size of the US should have dozens of political parties, with at least 10-15 big enough to challenge for seats in congress. Where is the Liberal Party? Where are the State Independence parties? Parties for constitutional change?


Technically, there are different political parties, it's just that they've been absorbed by the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. For Congressional Democrats, there's the New Democrats (modern liberal and centrist), Congressional Progressives, Blue Dogs (conservative Southern Dems), Blue Collar, and more focused caucuses such as the Medicare for All Caucus and the Expand Social Security Caucus. For Republicans, there's the Freedom Caucus (far-right, think Tea Party movement), Main Street Partnership (moderate), Tuesday Group (moderate), and Liberty Caucus (libertarian). With our system, people can fall into more than one caucus (or none at all), but that's the gist of it and how you can think of our two main parties as amalgamations of smaller parties. Doesn't mean I agree with the system, but it has its uses.

Think of it like here in the US, the caucasing/coalition forming happens before being elected to office, whereas in other democracies, it often occurs after getting into office.

At least with the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, the Electoral College has hope of changing in the medium term, with the winner of the national popular vote becoming president instead of having 3/5 most recent terms be Republican (Bush 2001-05, Bush 2005-09, Trump 2017-21) even though they lost the popular vote 4/5 times (Bush 2000, McCain 2008, Romney 2012, Trump 2016).
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Re: American Politics

Postby Phil71 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:27 pm

What a ludicrous electoral system, where there are only two parties but the party that loses the popular vote can still win.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:52 pm

The problem is the US never updated the constitutional requirements since it was created. The Electoral College was fine back when it took months to get to Washington but nowadays a simple majority or splitting the state delegates proportionately according to the result would be far better. But we all know that won't happen as the Dems won't want to lose California and New England and the Republicans won't want to lose Texas and the Deep South.
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Re: American Politics

Postby StLGooner » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:35 pm

Just imagine a Presidential race where instead of campaign smearing, the candidates actually talk good about each other and compliment each other on the issues they agree with, then have a polite civil discourse on the issues they don't agree on. What would the ripple effect on the American public and even our youth be like from seeing that type of campaign race, instead of the idiotic childish behavior we see today from our politicians? Maybe we would actually start viewing each other differently, which could open up the line of communication that is lacking between the two parties, and we could actually get something f***ing accomplished in this damn country. But now all we do is hate, point fingers, insult and blame each other like 6 y/o's fighting over toys.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:39 pm

StLGooner wrote:Just imagine a Presidential race where instead of campaign smearing, the candidates actually talk good about each other and compliment each other on the issues they agree with, then have a polite civil discourse on the issues they don't agree on. What would the ripple effect on the American public and even our youth be like from seeing that type of campaign race, instead of the idiotic childish behavior we see today from our politicians? Maybe we would actually start viewing each other differently, which could open up the line of communication that is lacking between the two parties, and we could actually get something f***ing accomplished in this damn country. But now all we do is hate, point fingers, insult and blame each other like 6 y/o's fighting over toys.


Obama Vs McCain was relatively civil

Exception to the rule though
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Re: American Politics

Postby StLGooner » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:44 pm

UFGN wrote:
StLGooner wrote:Just imagine a Presidential race where instead of campaign smearing, the candidates actually talk good about each other and compliment each other on the issues they agree with, then have a polite civil discourse on the issues they don't agree on. What would the ripple effect on the American public and even our youth be like from seeing that type of campaign race, instead of the idiotic childish behavior we see today from our politicians? Maybe we would actually start viewing each other differently, which could open up the line of communication that is lacking between the two parties, and we could actually get something f***ing accomplished in this damn country. But now all we do is hate, point fingers, insult and blame each other like 6 y/o's fighting over toys.


Obama Vs McCain was relatively civil

Exception to the rule though



I don't know man, the amount of racism that came out of the woodwork and reared it's ugly head in this country while Obama was running was pretty horrific. It's still going on from some of the Trump supporters. I will admit, probably a small minority, but still, get over it.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:45 pm

Oh for sure, but I meant between the candidates
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Re: American Politics

Postby StLGooner » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:48 pm

Ah ok, gotcha!
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Re: American Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:23 pm

Bernie has another go. I wonder if Hillary will join soon after.

He'd still lose to Trump because there are too many good ol' 'Muricans in the US that would never vote for a socialist as President. Plus all that free college he promises, I would like to see how he proposes to fund that!
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Re: American Politics

Postby Yago » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:16 pm

Hillary isn't stupid, she's staying well clear of this and that's been clear for ages. As Bernie should have too.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:28 pm

Tbh stupidity is a genuine national emergency in the US

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Re: American Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:48 pm

I have respect for Bernie Sanders, he's traditional left, not the new Millennial moan, whine and scream left.

Remember when the Left was about better wages, workers rights, Health services, equality etc, not the politically correct marxists with an Orange County blonde sarcastic attitude we get today.

I think Bernie vs Trump should of been what happened last time.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:52 am

DiamondGooner wrote:I have respect for Bernie Sanders, he's traditional left, not the new Millennial moan, whine and scream left.

Remember when the Left was about better wages, workers rights, Health services, equality etc, not the politically correct marxists with an Orange County blonde sarcastic attitude we get today.

I think Bernie vs Trump should of been what happened last time.

Sounds to me like you watched one too many YouTube videos.
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Re: American Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:17 pm

Jedi wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:I have respect for Bernie Sanders, he's traditional left, not the new Millennial moan, whine and scream left.

Remember when the Left was about better wages, workers rights, Health services, equality etc, not the politically correct marxists with an Orange County blonde sarcastic attitude we get today.

I think Bernie vs Trump should of been what happened last time.

Sounds to me like you watched one too many YouTube videos.



................... why, do you think I've imagined the protests and marches of thousands of people spouting Far Left identity politics? the media interviews etc.

Youtube is just videos taken of actual happenings, your making out that if its on Youtube its fake or something, a Youtube of a CNN interview is no less legit that watching it straight from CNN.

Silly comment tbh.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:54 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Jedi wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:I have respect for Bernie Sanders, he's traditional left, not the new Millennial moan, whine and scream left.

Remember when the Left was about better wages, workers rights, Health services, equality etc, not the politically correct marxists with an Orange County blonde sarcastic attitude we get today.

I think Bernie vs Trump should of been what happened last time.

Sounds to me like you watched one too many YouTube videos.



................... why, do you think I've imagined the protests and marches of thousands of people spouting Far Left identity politics? the media interviews etc.

Youtube is just videos taken of actual happenings, your making out that if its on Youtube its fake or something, a Youtube of a CNN interview is no less legit that watching it straight from CNN.

Silly comment tbh.


You're obsessed with the left. Never once saw you independently criticise anything on the right of politics.

Sometimes some people on the Left protest about silly things. So f***ing what?
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