American Politics

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

Armchair warriors!

Kind of like Trump?

But, who here is being an armchair warrior? I haven't seen anyone calling for war. Weird comment.

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I was referring to several very uniformed comments by armchair warriors.

[Va-Va-Voom]

Armchair warriors!

Kind of like Trump?

But, who here is being an armchair warrior? I haven't seen anyone calling for war. Weird comment.

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I was referring to several very uniformed comments by armchair warriors.

Who in this thread was acting tough?

[UFGN]

John Oliver's team did an investigation into America's nukes and the only question I was really left with after watching that was, do they actually even work? The launch process involves an LP sized floppy disk from pre internet computer technology

Utter bullshit.

Watch it then

[UFGN]

John Oliver's team did an investigation into America's nukes and the only question I was really left with after watching that was, do they actually even work? The launch process involves an LP sized floppy disk from pre internet computer technology

Utter bullshit.

Watch it then

[jayramfootball]

Might not be abuse of power but the fact Trump fired someone because they dare voice a rational opinion and don't march lockstep with everyone else insisting Trump is sitting pretty in the election says it all.

"ThE EleCTion WaZ Stolen!"

"Actually Mr. President there is no evidence of mass fraud"

Yes, Trump can't handle people disagreeing with him and acts like a spoiled child when things don't go his way.

However, that is not an abuse of Presidential power.

"abuse of power" became a common leftist accusation against Trump over the last 4 years. Some use it because they are ignorant to what it actually means, others because they are partisan hacks.

[jayramfootball]

It is also within his power to nuke any country at any time and commit a nuclear genocide.

It's called abusing your power.

............ Trump couldn't just nuke any country he wanted.

If that's what you think in your "Every day is judgement day as long as a Republican exists" pea brain then I don't know what to tell you.

Nukes need multiple authorization codes / orders to be launched by selected senior Military and Gov't appointed people.

Trump can't just jump up in the middle of the night, call a hotline and shout "China, now!!".

It doesn't work that way.

The president is the sole authority on nukes and no military official can override that decision. He has the codes and the football. What part of that do you morons not understand?

No fella, you are the moron.
You literally do have a pea brain and spout all kinds of utter nonsense.

There are protocols in place even when the US is under nuclear attack, when the system IS designed to execute the Presidents demands very quickly.

As for just deciding to nuke a country out of the blue - first of all that is not possible unless the US is at war and the declaration of war is made by Congress, not the President. Any order for a nuclear strike would have to be LAWFUL.
Any unlawful order given by any President to launch nuclear weapons would NOT be carried out. Multiple levels of command are between the President's decision and an actual launch. To suggest for even a second that every level of command would just do it with NO valid reason, just being based on Trump being angry or just deciding on a whim, is just complete and utter bunk.

You "nuclear football" point is funny. Dude, it's not a button. Missile launches are not connected to the "nuclear football" you've been told about on TV.

Your brain has been shrunk by consuming too much extreme left wing media.

[Phil71]

It is also within his power to nuke any country at any time and commit a nuclear genocide.

It's called abusing your power.

............ Trump couldn't just nuke any country he wanted.

If that's what you think in your "Every day is judgement day as long as a Republican exists" pea brain then I don't know what to tell you.

Nukes need multiple authorization codes / orders to be launched by selected senior Military and Gov't appointed people.

Trump can't just jump up in the middle of the night, call a hotline and shout "China, now!!".

It doesn't work that way.

The president is the sole authority on nukes and no military official can override that decision. He has the codes and the football. What part of that do you morons not understand?

No fella, you are the moron.
You literally do have a pea brain and spout all kinds of utter nonsense.

There are protocols in place even when the US is under nuclear attack, when the system IS designed to execute the Presidents demands very quickly.

As for just deciding to nuke a country out of the blue - first of all that is not possible unless the US is at war and the declaration of war is made by Congress, not the President. Any order for a nuclear strike would have to be LAWFUL.
Any unlawful order given by any President to launch nuclear weapons would NOT be carried out. Multiple levels of command are between the President's decision and an actual launch. To suggest for even a second that every level of command would just do it with NO valid reason, just being based on Trump being angry or just deciding on a whim, is just complete and utter bunk.

You "nuclear football" point is funny. Dude, it's not a button. Missile launches are not connected to the "nuclear football" you've been told about on TV.

Your brain has been shrunk by consuming too much extreme left wing media.

Tell it like it is.

[Jedi]

It is also within his power to nuke any country at any time and commit a nuclear genocide.

It's called abusing your power.

............ Trump couldn't just nuke any country he wanted.

If that's what you think in your "Every day is judgement day as long as a Republican exists" pea brain then I don't know what to tell you.

Nukes need multiple authorization codes / orders to be launched by selected senior Military and Gov't appointed people.

Trump can't just jump up in the middle of the night, call a hotline and shout "China, now!!".

It doesn't work that way.

The president is the sole authority on nukes and no military official can override that decision. He has the codes and the football. What part of that do you morons not understand?

No fella, you are the moron.
You literally do have a pea brain and spout all kinds of utter nonsense.

There are protocols in place even when the US is under nuclear attack, when the system IS designed to execute the Presidents demands very quickly.

As for just deciding to nuke a country out of the blue - first of all that is not possible unless the US is at war and the declaration of war is made by Congress, not the President. Any order for a nuclear strike would have to be LAWFUL.
Any unlawful order given by any President to launch nuclear weapons would NOT be carried out. Multiple levels of command are between the President's decision and an actual launch. To suggest for even a second that every level of command would just do it with NO valid reason, just being based on Trump being angry or just deciding on a whim, is just complete and utter bunk.

You "nuclear football" point is funny. Dude, it's not a button. Missile launches are not connected to the "nuclear football" you've been told about on TV.

Your brain has been shrunk by consuming too much extreme left wing media.

What is the point of this post? Did you just copy the posts on the previous page? You didn't raise a single point that hasn't already been addressed.

[jayramfootball]

Michigan:
Wayne County back to being uncertified. The 2 Republicans who raised questions initially refused to certify but were subjected to death threats against themselves and their families (including their children). They gave in through fear, but have now stood back up and revoked any certification.
Without Wayne County, Trump is winning Michigan.

Wisconsin:
Major accusations of fraud from Scott Walker - ex Governer of WI. I don;t know if they are true - but these accusations are getting pretty specific.

Incomplete absentee ballots may not be counted under Wisconsin law. In violation of state law, the Wisconsin Elections Commission directed clerks to illegally alter incomplete absentee ballots.

A written application is required for an absentee ballot. Ballots issued without a written application are in violation of the law. Despite the law, many clerks issued absentee ballots without written applications - particularly during the two week in-person absentee voting period from October 20 to November 1, 2020

Voter identification must be presented to vote using an absentee ballot unless the person is “indefinitely confined” according to state law. County clerks in Democrat-leaning counties advised voters to illegally mischaracterize that they were “indefinitely confined” to circumvent state law requiring photo identification

As of last night, election officials in WI ar trying to pas snew regulations that will make it harder to audit the results...in response to the accusations.

[jayramfootball]

It is also within his power to nuke any country at any time and commit a nuclear genocide.

It's called abusing your power.

............ Trump couldn't just nuke any country he wanted.

If that's what you think in your "Every day is judgement day as long as a Republican exists" pea brain then I don't know what to tell you.

Nukes need multiple authorization codes / orders to be launched by selected senior Military and Gov't appointed people.

Trump can't just jump up in the middle of the night, call a hotline and shout "China, now!!".

It doesn't work that way.

The president is the sole authority on nukes and no military official can override that decision. He has the codes and the football. What part of that do you morons not understand?

No fella, you are the moron.
You literally do have a pea brain and spout all kinds of utter nonsense.

There are protocols in place even when the US is under nuclear attack, when the system IS designed to execute the Presidents demands very quickly.

As for just deciding to nuke a country out of the blue - first of all that is not possible unless the US is at war and the declaration of war is made by Congress, not the President. Any order for a nuclear strike would have to be LAWFUL.
Any unlawful order given by any President to launch nuclear weapons would NOT be carried out. Multiple levels of command are between the President's decision and an actual launch. To suggest for even a second that every level of command would just do it with NO valid reason, just being based on Trump being angry or just deciding on a whim, is just complete and utter bunk.

You "nuclear football" point is funny. Dude, it's not a button. Missile launches are not connected to the "nuclear football" you've been told about on TV.

Your brain has been shrunk by consuming too much extreme left wing media.

What is the point of this post? Did you just copy the posts on the previous page? You didn't raise a single point that hasn't already been addressed.

The point ?
To make it obvious that you are completely wrong and misinformed.

[jayramfootball]

Jedi is correct.

As commander in chief Trump's word is final, all his military personnel can do is advise against it but at the end of the day if Trump wants China nuked tomorrow they're getting nuked tomorrow.

Firstly he needs the "Biscuit" and the "Football" (who comes up with this sh*t?) and obviously the Executive he has the final say once he's gone through the protocol.

But surely if his cabinet and the Joint Chief of Staff all say no, can they not even get a Federal Judge or someone to block this action?

If the Defense secretary, Joint Chiefs and everyone said no and there was no threat imminent, surely there would be a way to halt it??

What if they levelled a charge of Mental stability competence? i.e "He's lost the plot"?

There may even be a way to block it but they haven't made it public knowledge.

This is just a bunch of uninformed leftists who were fed bogus information during the 2016 election run-up.
They actually believe that Trump could just launch missiles whenever he felt like it. They saw it on CNN so it must be true.

Here's a good summary from 2017 - at another time when the known liar under oath James Clapper was flapping his gums about it.
The summary is from Peter Feaver, part of the Bush administrations National Security team
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/heres ... ar-weapons

Most important point is that NO order given by the President that is UNLAWFUL can or will be carried out.
An extreme act of war against China is ILLEGAL without a Congressional declaration of war.
The only thing that would happen if Trump or any other President tried to launch an unprovoked and unreasonable first strike nuclear attack on China (or any other country) is that the President would very quickly be removed from office by his cabinet.

[Jedi]

Jedi is correct.

As commander in chief Trump's word is final, all his military personnel can do is advise against it but at the end of the day if Trump wants China nuked tomorrow they're getting nuked tomorrow.

Firstly he needs the "Biscuit" and the "Football" (who comes up with this sh*t?) and obviously the Executive he has the final say once he's gone through the protocol.

But surely if his cabinet and the Joint Chief of Staff all say no, can they not even get a Federal Judge or someone to block this action?

If the Defense secretary, Joint Chiefs and everyone said no and there was no threat imminent, surely there would be a way to halt it??

What if they levelled a charge of Mental stability competence? i.e "He's lost the plot"?

There may even be a way to block it but they haven't made it public knowledge.

This is just a bunch of uninformed leftists who were fed bogus information during the 2016 election run-up.
They actually believe that Trump could just launch missiles whenever he felt like it. They saw it on CNN so it must be true.

Imagine having a problem with CNN when you quoted Project Veritas and Paul Joseph Watson in this thread looooooooooool

[jayramfootball]

Jedi is correct.

As commander in chief Trump's word is final, all his military personnel can do is advise against it but at the end of the day if Trump wants China nuked tomorrow they're getting nuked tomorrow.

Firstly he needs the "Biscuit" and the "Football" (who comes up with this sh*t?) and obviously the Executive he has the final say once he's gone through the protocol.

But surely if his cabinet and the Joint Chief of Staff all say no, can they not even get a Federal Judge or someone to block this action?

If the Defense secretary, Joint Chiefs and everyone said no and there was no threat imminent, surely there would be a way to halt it??

What if they levelled a charge of Mental stability competence? i.e "He's lost the plot"?

There may even be a way to block it but they haven't made it public knowledge.

This is just a bunch of uninformed leftists who were fed bogus information during the 2016 election run-up.
They actually believe that Trump could just launch missiles whenever he felt like it. They saw it on CNN so it must be true.

Imagine having a problem with CNN when you quoted Project Veritas and Paul Joseph Watson in this thread looooooooooool

I do not recall the Watson fellow?
Project Veritas provides actual video. I can see what someone actually said when they did not realise they were being recorded. That is solid evidence that, if out of context, can easily be refuted and clarified by the subject. Most of the time it is not refuted because the subject knows they have been caught red-handed.

CNN is a clown news network that provides an echo chamber of opinions for extremists who end up regurgitating nonsense on boards like this - like Trump being able to nuke China in an angry twitter rage.

[Angelito]

Isn't Trump the first Prez since Carter who didn't wage an active war?

The President has the power to wage a war deploying limited militia within a certain period. That was Obama's defense of his intervention in Libya.

If we're talking about a full-fledged war, or a nuclear strike, a President doesn't have that power. The Congress must pass such an intervention.

If Trump decided to nuke China, first, it wouldn't happen even if he wailed like a baby for it. Secondly, the international backlash from EU, UN, and other members of the NATO, and superpowers like India and Japan, would lead to the end of US as the leader of the world.

Trump, however, has the authority to bomb Namibia or Singapore, if he could conjure up some phony excuse. This wouldn't destroy America but would force other international actors and organizations to disown USA—something they wouldn't want to do, but would have to do to maintain healthy international relations and diplomacy.

The problem is, if America bombed a small country like Namibia, these international organizations would still try their best to find a whimsical excuse to absolve USA because they are far too powerful and relevant to global geopoltics.

As for a nuclear strike, nope, it ain't happening no matter how much Trump tries. He doesn't have the constitutional authority, nor would he have the diplomatic leverage.

[Highbury Hillbilly]

Isn't Trump the first Prez since Carter who didn't wage an active war?

The President has the power to wage a war deploying limited militia within a certain period. That was Obama's defense of his intervention in Libya.

If we're talking about a full-fledged war, or a nuclear strike, a President doesn't have that power. The Congress must pass such an intervention.

He (+ Pompeo) assassinated a senior Iranian general in January in hopes of starting a new one. Had it not been for Covid, there'd probably be thousands of troops sabre-rattling on the borders of Afghanistan or Iraq right now.

He's still waging all the current wars though. Just because he signs off decisions based on 5-page briefings with lots of pictures, doesn't mean he isn't still the person with ultimate responsibility.