American Politics

[Jedi]

Huge W for Trump and huge for his 2020 chances. Dems need to take the L on this one and move on as quick as possible instead of getting caught up in random reports/leaks. The investigation is over.

[Reverend Gooner]

Yep, worst thing the dems can do is double down. That PR win will probably see Trump over the line in 2020.

[StLGooner]

I could care less if the Russian rumors are true or not. He was already a horrible person and president, it doesn't change anything for me.


It boggles the mind that anyone would believe any type of investigation from anyone regarding the President of the USA. As if the truth would come out anyway. This is the most corrupt organization in the world, and also at the same time the most powerful. Do people really think they're going to get the truth about it from some report?

This is why I don't get upset when we find out politicians are corrupt, or that they lie, cheat, and steal. Its old news. Which is why I couldn't understand why people were so up in arms over Hilary lying? She's a politician of course she lies. That's how they become politicians.

[Highbury Hillbilly]

I'd wager most Americans don't even know what's in the 9/11 Commission report. One of the most significant geopolitical events of this century, but 1000+ pages is too much to read. Oh hey, look at GW Bush painting pics of fallen soldiers. Now that's
what a real president looks like!

Politics in America is entertainment first and foremost, of manufactured narratives of loss and redemption, davids v goliaths, anything to keep the myth of "american exceptionalism" going.

Trump winning is the symptom of the delusion that society improves only when there is a big man at the helm who huffs and puffs to get his way.

It can get much worse from here. Hope the Dems are prepared. 20 opportunists in the primary, no obvious natural alliances between any of them. It's not looking good.

[StLGooner]

I'd wager most Americans don't even know what's in the 9/11 Commission report. One of the most significant geopolitical events of this century, but 1000+ pages is too much to read. Oh hey, look at GW Bush painting pics of fallen soldiers. Now that's
what a real president looks like!

Politics in America is entertainment first and foremost, of manufactured narratives of loss and redemption, davids v goliaths, anything to keep the myth of "american exceptionalism" going.

Trump winning is the symptom of the delusion that society improves only when there is a big man at the helm who huffs and puffs to get his way.

It can get much worse from here. Hope the Dems are prepared. 20 opportunists in the primary, no obvious natural alliances between any of them. It's not looking good.

Well said.

It's easy to point out our own flaws here. It's sometimes hard when others point them out, because we tend to automatically be defensive about it. But when it's true, it's hard to get upset.

[LMAO]

there are just too many Good Ol' Boys in 'Murica that will not let a "communist" into the White House.

tbf we were never going to have a black* president either.

*even though Obama is half-white but one-drop rule y'know

[Zedie]

So the Mueller Report finds that there was no conspiracy between Trump’s presidential campaign and Russia.

*the summary of the Mueller report made by a trump-appointed attorney general.

In any case, if Trump is fully exonerated, this must be the most hilarious turn of events possible. The man has acted so blatantly guilty that if he's innocent so many of his actions and angry Twitter tirades just don't make any sense.

Soooooo

The guy that has habitually lied about the most banal things up to blatant perjury has had his own appointed attorney general release 4 select, highly specific lines from a massive report and everything in that reports no longer matters?

The c*** even lied about the 4 sentences that his AG released for f**k sake. The AG actually said there was no collusion with the Russian government but that does not mean he is exonerated.

Trump: I am fully exonerated.

Loool.

The full report will be released sooner or later and the torrent of shit it spews forth will bury him in more fuckery. Even then, by 2020, people will be so f***ked by all the insane economic fuckeries hes pulled, they wont be able to ignore it.

I honestly can't believe how many people are accepting this nonsense. Worst part is, he'll suppress this report at least until 2020 and beyond if he wins. God I hope he loses so mitch McConnel and his AG can't cover up his fuckery any longer than is needed.

It's like a criminal getting his mum to explain what a good boy he is after all the dirt hes done and people just accepting that and moving on immediately.

Honestly, where the f**k has critical thought disappeared to?

[Va-Va-Voom]

Honestly, where the f**k has critical thought disappeared to?

Twitter and Facebook

[DiamondGooner]

there are just too many Good Ol' Boys in 'Murica that will not let a "communist" into the White House.

tbf we were never going to have a black* president either.

*even though Obama is half-white but one-drop rule y'know

Why does it even matter what colour someone is?

How did that become the mark of whether a President would be good or not? that's just diversity check box ticking and its low brow politics, wheeling out the attraction for the crowd to cheer for.

You got Obama and he was as corrupt as the rest of them, surely that's the mark you should be interested in, is a bad black president better than a good white one and vice versa?

If you did get a full black President he'd be bought and paid for as much as the rest of them, at this moment I din't think it much matters who you get in, their all fked and the ones that aren't like Bernie Sanders won't be allowed through the door, that's your real issue.

[Phil71]

there are just too many Good Ol' Boys in 'Murica that will not let a "communist" into the White House.

tbf we were never going to have a black* president either.

*even though Obama is half-white but one-drop rule y'know

Why does it even matter what colour someone is?

How did that become the mark of whether a President would be good or not? that's just diversity check box ticking and its low brow politics, wheeling out the attraction for the crowd to cheer for.

You got Obama and he was as corrupt as the rest of them, surely that's the mark you should be interested in, is a bad black president better than a good white one and vice versa?

If you did get a full black President he'd be bought and paid for as much as the rest of them, at this moment I din't think it much matters who you get in, their all fked and the ones that aren't like Bernie Sanders won't be allowed through the door, that's your real issue.

The big corporations have run America for the past century or more.

[UFGN]

there are just too many Good Ol' Boys in 'Murica that will not let a "communist" into the White House.

tbf we were never going to have a black* president either.

*even though Obama is half-white but one-drop rule y'know

Why does it even matter what colour someone is?

How did that become the mark of whether a President would be good or not? that's just diversity check box ticking and its low brow politics, wheeling out the attraction for the crowd to cheer for.

You got Obama and he was as corrupt as the rest of them, surely that's the mark you should be interested in, is a bad black president better than a good white one and vice versa?

If you did get a full black President he'd be bought and paid for as much as the rest of them, at this moment I din't think it much matters who you get in, their all fked and the ones that aren't like Bernie Sanders won't be allowed through the door, that's your real issue.

It matters because otherwise what you're saying by default is, its absolutely fine that the most powerful person in the country is always a white male aged roughly 40-70 years. Statistically, what are the chances of that person always being the best for the job? Not very likely. Thats why by your own argument, it shouldn't always be a white bloke with grey hair

[Royal Gooner]

there are just too many Good Ol' Boys in 'Murica that will not let a "communist" into the White House.

tbf we were never going to have a black* president either.

*even though Obama is half-white but one-drop rule y'know

On the contrary, the race card is very powerful. A determined and politically motivated 14% of the population is more than enough to swing a vote. Especially with the supporters going down the whole "if you don't vote for him, you're racist" narrative in 2008 to guilt trip people to join them. Now, of course Obama didn't do that himself as it was his supporters doing it. But his policies were I'd say better than McCain's plus you have to consider Bush was at his most unpopular at the time so people wanted a change from the Bush model. Little did they know, Obama wouldn't actually deliver on his promises but back then he had the media darling personality that many people fell in love with though it wouldn't work nowadays as people are more cynical and questioning of the media.

[DiamondGooner]

there are just too many Good Ol' Boys in 'Murica that will not let a "communist" into the White House.

tbf we were never going to have a black* president either.

*even though Obama is half-white but one-drop rule y'know

Why does it even matter what colour someone is?

How did that become the mark of whether a President would be good or not? that's just diversity check box ticking and its low brow politics, wheeling out the attraction for the crowd to cheer for.

You got Obama and he was as corrupt as the rest of them, surely that's the mark you should be interested in, is a bad black president better than a good white one and vice versa?

If you did get a full black President he'd be bought and paid for as much as the rest of them, at this moment I din't think it much matters who you get in, their all fked and the ones that aren't like Bernie Sanders won't be allowed through the door, that's your real issue.

It matters because otherwise what you're saying by default is, its absolutely fine that the most powerful person in the country is always a white male aged roughly 40-70 years. Statistically, what are the chances of that person always being the best for the job? Not very likely. Thats why by your own argument, it shouldn't always be a white bloke with grey hair

No ............. that's not what I said.

Not at all.

Try reading it again.

[UFGN]

there are just too many Good Ol' Boys in 'Murica that will not let a "communist" into the White House.

tbf we were never going to have a black* president either.

*even though Obama is half-white but one-drop rule y'know

Why does it even matter what colour someone is?

How did that become the mark of whether a President would be good or not? that's just diversity check box ticking and its low brow politics, wheeling out the attraction for the crowd to cheer for.

You got Obama and he was as corrupt as the rest of them, surely that's the mark you should be interested in, is a bad black president better than a good white one and vice versa?

If you did get a full black President he'd be bought and paid for as much as the rest of them, at this moment I din't think it much matters who you get in, their all fked and the ones that aren't like Bernie Sanders won't be allowed through the door, that's your real issue.

It matters because otherwise what you're saying by default is, its absolutely fine that the most powerful person in the country is always a white male aged roughly 40-70 years. Statistically, what are the chances of that person always being the best for the job? Not very likely. Thats why by your own argument, it shouldn't always be a white bloke with grey hair

No ............. that's not what I said.

Not at all.

Try reading it again.

Well, we can agree that special interests are a bigger problem than race but race and gender are still an issue

Fact is Trump ran on an anti-special interest ticket.... it apparently escaping his supporters that he is a one man self serving special interest

[EliteKiller]

Well, we can agree that special interests are a bigger problem than race but race and gender are still an issue

Fact is Trump ran on an anti-special interest ticket.... it apparently escaping his supporters that he is a one man self serving special interest

Race is a massive factor in the US elections, in fact you could probably argue it's right now the only factor, both mainstream parties seem to think so .... just look at these numbers for Clinton v Trump (Obama was even more one sided)

White 37-57
African-American 89-8
Hispanic 66-28
Asian 65-27

The only reason that the Republicans won has very little to do with 'special-interest' and almost everything to do with race. With the whites making up 72% of the voters then you need roughly 60% of the white vote to guarantee a win, that's regardless of what all the other ethnic groups vote combined ... Trump sneaked in with 57% and that's all he ever tried to do.

Clinton got a massive 89% of the black vote and 66% of the Hispanic vote, but that majority made absolutely no difference at all ...

This does throw up an interesting future scenario (and explains why racial politics rules) because with the Black and Hispanic share of the US population growing, it's up from 10% in 1940 to 28% in 2015, then to win a future election you have three choices.

One: You keep expanding your share of the white vote with 'redneck' rhetoric thus allowing you to still win without other ethnic groups support (Rep) The problem with that approach is that it only works until your white voter base shrinks to less than 60%, which will inevitably happen.

Two: You try and capture a huge percentage of the ethnic vote constantly painting your opponents as racist white supremacists (Dems) so as your voter base grows to 40% plus you end up in a winning position. The problem with that approach is that it only works if you maintain 80/90% of your target demographic, that's almost impossible to do.

or Three: You become a party for all the people regardless of race, gender or religion ... but who in the US would want that? the Media would have nothing sensational to generate click-bait and we can't allow that.

Right now you have the Republicans playing the white man card, and the Democrats playing the racist card ... so just where is the middle ground?

Deep down the Republicans know that a whites-first strategy must fail, but short term under Trump it can probably win 2020, so they let it carry on

Deep down the Democrats know that relying on anti redneck strategy also must fail, but with Trump as the target they believe it can win them 2020, so they too just let it carry on

This repulsive environment should be ideal ground for an Independent ... and that's perhaps where special interest not supporting any independent makes a big difference.

But under two party politics the 'special interests' frankly don't give a shit, they will just fund whoever wins ... and whoever loses ... so for them all bets are covered. They know they can flip both parties votes at the drop of a hat ...

For example did you know that the Dems attempted to vote through 1.57 billion for border barriers under Obama, however the Reps blocked it. Yet now the Reps want 5.7 billion for border barriers, it's the Dems turn to try and block it ... it's not about the policy it's about the perception ...

When the Dems tried to build barriers under Obama it was to protect the minority communities already in the US, when the Reps try and build barriers under Trump it's because they want to keep out foreigners ... at end of the day it's the same feckin' barriers.