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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:27 pm

Dems waste time creating a series of measures they already know will fail - its a bit like Arsenal saying they're working hard on signing Salah, KDB and Mbappe - smoke and mirrors that only the most absurdly biased fan could ever fall for ..... stand up if that's you.

Having crazy fictional beliefs is fine, we all do that, pretending that they are meaningful? That's when you become delusional.

The US need gun control that works, not another twenty years of already doomed wish lists. Just as we need a proper coherent transfer policy not just an incoherent supermarket sweep every summer.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:13 pm

Huh? I read just yesterday Mbappe was seeking to a move to Arsenal and signed his PSG deal so the owners could get a bigger fee. That and Messi wants to tag along. It all depends on if Tavares will agree to go the other way. Seems like it is a done deal!
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:55 pm

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:And you think the Dems are really looking for anything that would actually help?

Duped again.

They care not a whit about gun violence in the cities they run...and they run all of them as you know but refuse to accept. Instead they want to curtail the rights of law abiding adults. So they want to ban an 18 year old from owning a weapon but want to lower the voting age to 16. More illogical pap that is designed to fool people like you who live off of emotion rather than facts. FFS dude, you are the perfect subservient subject that the left preys on. You always
trust the wrong people at your own expense.

So another whacked out lefty Dem tried to kill Kavanaugh outside his home yesterday. It was a Bernie Bro that shot up the GOP Congressional baseball team. The violence of the "summer of love" was all by leftists and marxists supported by the Dems, and not prosecuted by Bidens's DOJ. The so called insurrectionists were set up by the FBI, as were the MI "kidnappers". More FBI agents involved than "participants". And Schumer has been outspoken in encouraging all this. " Kavanaugh you started a worldwind and you will not know what hit you"....


I think every time you sneer at the Dems for doing things like trying to stop a teenager from buying a semi-automatic weapon, or restricting magazine sizes, you only serve to reinforce the image of a guy who just doesn't care. What they are trying to do is perfectly reasonable.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:16 pm

UFGN wrote:I think every time you sneer at the Dems for doing things like trying to stop a teenager from buying a semi-automatic weapon, or restricting magazine sizes, you only serve to reinforce the image of a guy who just doesn't care. What they are trying to do is perfectly reasonable.


I'll not treat this with the contempt it deservers, instead I will try once again to educate you.

There is ZERO chance of this any of the other smoke and mirror nonsense gun bills being passed into legislation. It is far worse to hide behind false hope and unreal promises than to tell the truth. The Dems are doing NOTHING other than utter false platitudes.

YES semi-automatic weapons need to be taken out of the hands of children and criminals, NO making up meaningless legislation knowing it has ZERO chance of being passed, is not attempting to tackle the problem. You have been conned if you think that.

The Dems have been creating this scam legislation for years, funny thing the one time in the last twenty years that they could have passed gun control legislation - During Obama's first two years, surprise they didn't put it forward - now why do you think that was?

False hope for political posturing is worse than no hope at all - do it properly or shut the feck up.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:44 pm

All I keep hearing from shootie boys on here is that the Dems don't do enough to try to stop guns......and it's not the GOPs fault that the GOP block reforms.......and in fact it's the Dems fault that the GOP block Dem reforms

You guys are biassed not only against non conservatives, but against reason.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:22 pm

I think it is good the dems have actually got off their arses and tried to do something. But I think the media aren't helping them by saying it'll go nowhere. If you look into it, some Republican senators have been reasonable and been willing to negotiate on the finer points.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:45 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:I think it is good the dems have actually got off their arses and tried to do something. But I think the media aren't helping them by saying it'll go nowhere. If you look into it, some Republican senators have been reasonable and been willing to negotiate on the finer points.


Nail on the head - rather than keep screaming its all the GOPs fault, which achieves nothing - work together to put forward legislation that at least has a chance to pass. "Me Good you Bad" never won consensus, and never will.
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Re: American Politics

Postby VCC » Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:47 pm

Putting in any gun legislation to remove weapons from criminals whilst in principal worth while, the reality and expense does not. Look at NZ peaceful nation not much gun crime, the CH Ch mass shooting brought about huge gun reform, the vast majority complied, the reality since is the biggest gun war in NZ history being carried out daily in our largest city.
Only way to rid guns from criminals is buy force.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:30 pm

VCC wrote:Putting in any gun legislation to remove weapons from criminals whilst in principal worth while, the reality and expense does not. Look at NZ peaceful nation not much gun crime, the CH Ch mass shooting brought about huge gun reform, the vast majority complied, the reality since is the biggest gun war in NZ history being carried out daily in our largest city.
Only way to rid guns from criminals is buy force.


So do that as well. It doesn't have to be either or.
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Re: American Politics

Postby VCC » Thu Jun 09, 2022 11:42 pm

UFGN wrote:
VCC wrote:Putting in any gun legislation to remove weapons from criminals whilst in principal worth while, the reality and expense does not. Look at NZ peaceful nation not much gun crime, the CH Ch mass shooting brought about huge gun reform, the vast majority complied, the reality since is the biggest gun war in NZ history being carried out daily in our largest city.
Only way to rid guns from criminals is buy force.


So do that as well. It doesn't have to be either or.

The reality is it has to be UFGN, unfortunately the Police who although had locked arms within their vehicles were unarmed other than tazer, only armed officers were on duty at the international airport terminals, now armed officers are a daily event, it is only a matter of time before officers are full time armed. The process of removing weapons has to be a double edged sword,
Good luck carrying that out in America its got zero chance of happening
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:25 am

I think every time you sneer at the Dems for doing things like trying to stop a teenager from buying a semi-automatic weapon, or restricting magazine sizes, you only serve to reinforce the image of a guy who just doesn't care. What they are trying to do is perfectly reasonable.


I care far more about this than you do given I am educated on the issue and am not a dupe for any politician nor party. I get what the ultimate goal is, and it is not about stopping crime or mental folk. You don't care about the people across the globe that are about suffer immensely it seems. I have logical empathy, you have the emotional response of a 14 year old girl to everything.

Reasonable to ban magazines that are the only ones that fit most 9mm and 35 cal self defence weapons rendering them useless? Ban AR's? With millions owned and used by law abiding citizens that have the right to do so. Hmmm...you know that the number of rookie gun owners has increased by some 5 million at least over the past two years.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/26/98969912 ... -shootings

Once again, you fail to understand that bad policies always lead to unintended consequences.

So let's imagine that Bernie and Manchin where to vote for all this and it passes. How exactly would that affect criminals? How do you imagine all these legal guns would be confiscated? Listen, it is all BS, all a political tactic that the Dems keep rehashing but like all their other nonsensical policies that have been proven to not work. Like it or not these shooting are the result of these social policies that they have pushed for 50 years and the chickens are indeed coming home to roost. They are toast in November and beyond and this will simply bury them further.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:45 am

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:
I think every time you sneer at the Dems for doing things like trying to stop a teenager from buying a semi-automatic weapon, or restricting magazine sizes, you only serve to reinforce the image of a guy who just doesn't care. What they are trying to do is perfectly reasonable.


I care far more about this than you do given I am educated on the issue and am not a dupe for any politician nor party. I get what the ultimate goal is, and it is not about stopping crime or mental folk. You don't care about the people across the globe that are about suffer immensely it seems. I have logical empathy, you have the emotional response of a 14 year old girl to everything.

Reasonable to ban magazines that are the only ones that fit most 9mm and 35 cal self defence weapons rendering them useless? Ban AR's? With millions owned and used by law abiding citizens that have the right to do so. Hmmm...you know that the number of rookie gun owners has increased by some 5 million at least over the past two years.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/26/98969912 ... -shootings

Once again, you fail to understand that bad policies always lead to unintended consequences.

So let's imagine that Bernie and Manchin where to vote for all this and it passes. How exactly would that affect criminals? How do you imagine all these legal guns would be confiscated? Listen, it is all BS, all a political tactic that the Dems keep rehashing but like all their other nonsensical policies that have been proven to not work. Like it or not these shooting are the result of these social policies that they have pushed for 50 years and the chickens are indeed coming home to roost. They are toast in November and beyond and this will simply bury them further.


You're not "educated on the issue", you're just someone who likes guns and thinks that makes your opinions more valid. It doesn't.

Just like you think having been a soldier makes your opinion on military matters worth a shit to anyone else. It doesn't.

You're a gun lover who loves the fact that people like yourself have basically disabled your country by buying so many guns, you can simply laugh at people for trying to undo the damage that you've done

And you're an ex soldier who played GI Joe dress-up and fought wars you had little or nothing to do with......who wants to tell me that I'm immature, because I don't like my county's allies being bullied and attacked by Russia. You would see them appeased so that they come back and attack another country later, as is their form.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:21 am

UFGN wrote:You're not "educated on the issue", you're just someone who likes guns and thinks that makes your opinions more valid. It doesn't.

Just like you think having been a soldier makes your opinion on military matters worth a shit to anyone else. It doesn't.

You're a gun lover who loves the fact that people like yourself have basically disabled your country by buying so many guns, you can simply laugh at people for trying to undo the damage that you've done

And you're an ex soldier who played GI Joe dress-up and fought wars you had little or nothing to do with......who wants to tell me that I'm immature, because I don't like my county's allies being bullied and attacked by Russia. You would see them appeased so that they come back and attack another country later, as is their form.


Classic - I have no argument so I will attack the messenger not the message - you are a walking cliché.

The point that you so patently ignored is that it's not guns that are the problem, they've been around with farmers and hunters for decades. It's social policies that have destroyed family values, obliterated any sense of personal responsibility, and constantly pandered to the woke criminal minority at the expense of the law abiding majority.

Gun crimes are carried out by criminals not by law abiding civilians, neither Right or Left - to tackle gun crime alone is pointless if you don't first tackle the causes of gun crime, which in many people's eyes are the failed social experiments by the far left, but that's another discussion.

Just creating laws with ZERO chance of success is like hiring the world's best goalkeeper then playing with no defenders - you will just make the problem worse,

Until you understand that it's the collapse of the family structure, the collapse of discipline, the collapse of respect for those who have a different view, indeed the collapse of the USA - all your howling at the moon will fix bugger all, just as it hasn't for 50 years.

The UK took a stance, Australia took a stance so far all the US (both Dem and GOP) have done is feck all ... as I said they are howling at the moon with you as their pack leader.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:40 am

EliteKiller wrote:
UFGN wrote:You're not "educated on the issue", you're just someone who likes guns and thinks that makes your opinions more valid. It doesn't.

Just like you think having been a soldier makes your opinion on military matters worth a shit to anyone else. It doesn't.

You're a gun lover who loves the fact that people like yourself have basically disabled your country by buying so many guns, you can simply laugh at people for trying to undo the damage that you've done

And you're an ex soldier who played GI Joe dress-up and fought wars you had little or nothing to do with......who wants to tell me that I'm immature, because I don't like my county's allies being bullied and attacked by Russia. You would see them appeased so that they come back and attack another country later, as is their form.


Classic - I have no argument so I will attack the messenger not the message - you are a walking cliché.

The point that you so patently ignored is that it's not guns that are the problem, they've been around with farmers and hunters for decades. It's social policies that have destroyed family values, obliterated any sense of personal responsibility, and constantly pandered to the woke criminal minority at the expense of the law abiding majority.

Gun crimes are carried out by criminals not by law abiding civilians, neither Right or Left - to tackle gun crime alone is pointless if you don't first tackle the causes of gun crime, which in many people's eyes are the failed social experiments by the far left, but that's another discussion.

Just creating laws with ZERO chance of success is like hiring the world's best goalkeeper then playing with no defenders - you will just make the problem worse,

Until you understand that it's the collapse of the family structure, the collapse of discipline, the collapse of respect for those who have a different view, indeed the collapse of the USA - all your howling at the moon will fix bugger all, just as it hasn't for 50 years.

The UK took a stance, Australia took a stance so far all the US (both Dem and GOP) have done is feck all ... as I said they are howling at the moon with you as their pack leader.


You're the walking cliche not me.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people? CHECK

It's the breakdown of society? CHECK

The far left in America.... Even though socialist policies have never had a fair crack of the whip in America? CHECK

Criminals are the problem not guns..... even though mass shootings are often carried out by people with no criminal record or minor criminal record? CHECK
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Re: American Politics

Postby VCC » Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:13 am

Simply LOL
Exactly why America will never have any huge gun reform.
Never ever been a wife shoot her cheating husband or vice verse, ultimately does that make them a criminal i would think so , but incredible statistics that voters do not commit such crime. Amazes me that gun crime comes only from left sided politics simply wow.
By the way every car wreck has a person at fault operating outside of the law in some way for the most part maybe criminals only cause accidents?.
Anyways America economy relies on conflict be that at home or somewhere manufactured in the world, weapons in America and their sales all around the globe including to people they then fight against will not change in the near or distant future.
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