American Politics

[Highbury Hillbilly]

Meanwhile, in stable genius land...

Have you seen what some states have banned?

I see the head of the federal government interfering with the rights of states to govern themselves as they see fit.

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

Meanwhile, in stable genius land...

Have you seen what some states have banned?

I see the head of the federal government interfering with the rights of states to govern themselves as they see fit.

Could you be specific as to what you are seeing?

[Highbury Hillbilly]

Meanwhile, in stable genius land...

Have you seen what some states have banned?

I see the head of the federal government interfering with the rights of states to govern themselves as they see fit.

Could you be specific as to what you are seeing?

Sure. Last Friday, Trump said:

"When somebody is president of the United States, your authority is total," (it isn't)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/politics/trump-coronavirus-defense-fauci/index.html

Then yesterday, he said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-guidelines-on-opening-up-america-leave-much-up-to-governors
""You're gonna call your own shots," Mr. Trump told governors on the call, according to an audio recording obtained by CBS News. "I've gotten to know almost all of you. Most of you I've known and some very well beforehand. You're very capable people. I think in all cases very capable people. And you're gonna be calling your shots. We'll be standing right alongside of you."

Then less than 24 hours after that, he posted his moronic tweets about liberating states.

Those states just happen to have Democratic governors, whereas plenty of Republican-governed states have the exact same stay-at-home orders in place.

I know that this is as transparent to you as it is to everyone else.

[LMAO]

“I think after 20 years, we’ve proven that our system is very secure and voters love it. The voters voted it in, they’ve never made an attempt to vote it out. I think they’re happy with it and I think it’s a 20-year history of success,” said (Oregon) Secretary of State Bev Clarno (R).

Stanford study: The Neutral Partisan Effects of Vote-by-Mail: Evidence from County-Level Roll-Outs

But but but vote-by-mail is a Democratic Party master plan to rig elections.

[LMAO]

I want to get your opinion on one social issue. I want to see if—or how much—we agree on illegal immigration. For me, some illegal immigration (unauthorized workers) is a necessary evil to keep prices low and some businesses operational (e.g., fruit pickers and cooks in restaurants).

I am all for the guest worker program and would like to see it expanded. Especially in ag. Restaurant workers to an extent, say skilled workers such as cooks. I'd bet most Americans get their first job experience is food service. And careers for many.


So let me ask you about ICE and sanctuary cities.

ICE is like communism—great in theory but doesn't work in practice. The agency should be abolished because it enjoys a disproportionate amount of power (e.g., trampling on constitutional rights) for what it should be. We have agencies such as the FBI, CBP, DEA, and ATF that can handle the specific responsibilities more effectively.

The issue of sanctuary cities is more complex and depends on other factors than merely sanctuary cities themselves. I'm currently neutral because there are convincing pros and cons; they can stay or go, I don't care enough to have a stance on them as things currently stand. But for me to move into the anti-sanctuary cities camp, we'd need to legalize—and I mean actual legalization, not a half-ass decriminalization—drugs and prostitution on the federal level and regulate them effectively, creating more jobs in the process.
(1) Prohibition doesn't work.
(2) Meth being illegal yet opioids being fine is illogical.
Now for the reasons why when it comes to sanctuary cities:
(3) With fewer people locked up due to the war on drugs, that's more jobs available for Americans instead of giving them to undocumented immigrants (though there's the issue of minimum wage vs paying paltry wages but that'd be another battle for another day). Undocumented immigrants see little to no jobs, they go home.
(4) It puts a major dent in drug trafficking and gives Mexico, Central American countries, and a few South American countries the chance to fix their countries and take them back from the cartels so that society improves and people don't emigrate from them to the US illegally in order to seek a better life no matter the cost.
(5) Legalizing prostitution should decrease human trafficking by cutting down on the smuggling of Asians and Latin Americans (and Eastern Europeans?) to the US.

But there's also the issue of DREAMers. It's not their fault they're here illegally and they should be put on a path to citizenship, provided they've been in good standing.

[DiamondGooner]

Just finished watching Tiger King ........... if ever there was an advert for not giving guns to the general public!!

"Hey don't point that gun at me" ........... "Why not, don't worry, everybody know's a Luger doesn't fire without the clip in it" *points gun at own head* BANG!!!

[jayramfootball]

Just finished watching Tiger King ........... if ever there was an advert for not giving guns to the general public!!

"Hey don't point that gun at me" ........... "Why not, don't worry, everybody know's a Luger doesn't fire without the clip in it" *points gun at own head* BANG!!!

Fortunately for Americans the 2nd Amendment is a little more robust than hinging on the actions of a moron who doesn't understand how to handle guns.

[jayramfootball]

I'm "moderately Left-Wing" according to it, which fits with me considering myself a center-leftist.

[P]ure socialism or pure capitalism is shit. That's why mixed economies (a little bit of socialism and a little bit of capitalism) do best.

[M]ixed economies are what make the world go 'round and socialist elements are present in every major economy.

[U]s younger generations aren't in favor of "radical socialism" like older generations and the right at large portray us as being. Most of us are center-left, in favor of a greater mixed economy than what we currently have, and what would be considered more left-leaning social democrats (since social democrats can also be center-right). Think of a slightly more left Scandinavia.

I've said many times before on here, mixed economies—a little bit of capitalism and a little bit of socialism—do best.

Even made a simple chart to help:


So no, I do not bow to the altar of the DSA every night and wank to the thought of a socialist revolution.

Your chart is a simplification of something far more complex.
It's also incorrect.

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

Meanwhile, in stable genius land...

Have you seen what some states have banned?

I see the head of the federal government interfering with the rights of states to govern themselves as they see fit.

Could you be specific as to what you are seeing?

Sure. Last Friday, Trump said:

"When somebody is president of the United States, your authority is total," (it isn't)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/politics/trump-coronavirus-defense-fauci/index.html

Then yesterday, he said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-guidelines-on-opening-up-america-leave-much-up-to-governors
""You're gonna call your own shots," Mr. Trump told governors on the call, according to an audio recording obtained by CBS News. "I've gotten to know almost all of you. Most of you I've known and some very well beforehand. You're very capable people. I think in all cases very capable people. And you're gonna be calling your shots. We'll be standing right alongside of you."

Then less than 24 hours after that, he posted his moronic tweets about liberating states.

Those states just happen to have Democratic governors, whereas plenty of Republican-governed states have the exact same stay-at-home orders in place.

I know that this is as transparent to you as it is to everyone else.

OK, once again. What have you SEEN in practice. The reason I asked you to be specific is because Trump says all sorts of shit.

[LMAO]

6.5 months out based on recent state polls of Biden versus Trump.



Dark blue/red is safe.
Medium blue/red is likely.
Light blue/red is leans.

Before anyone says anything, yes, a lot can change between now and November 3, obviously.

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

AOC showing just how whacked she is. Calling for a national strike instead of going back to work FFS! Claiming people are "oppressed" by work...after cheering the collapse of oil prices and jobs.

Then her cohort Pressley (who needs a head merkin) comes out calling Trump a "war criminal" for how the US has handled covid.

Biden stumbled through a tortuous interview with Al Gore agreeing with him about getting rid of our cars in the next few years.

Welcome to the new Democratic Party. A 80 year old dementia prone has been or a 32 year old privileged socialist bimbo.

[LMAO]

AOC showing just how whacked she is. Calling for a national strike instead of going back to work FFS! Claiming people are "oppressed" by work...after cheering the collapse of oil prices and jobs.

Then her cohort Pressley (who needs a head merkin) comes out calling Trump a "war criminal" for how the US has handled covid.

Biden stumbled through a tortuous interview with Al Gore agreeing with him about getting rid of our cars in the next few years.

Welcome to the new Democratic Party. A 80 year old dementia prone has been or a 32 year old privileged socialist bimbo.

Mitch McConnell suggests blue states should declare bankruptcy rather than receive bailouts.

Trump's stance change on China's handling of COVID-19 causes whiplash among the greater population.

Welcome to the Republican Party. A 78-year-old shitstain making everything a zero-sum game and a 73-year-old dementia gaslighter.

Also, EVs are the future—no ifs, ands, or buts. Resistance to the eventual change is putting yourself behind the curve. Tesla, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, Ford, Chevy, Nissan, Audi, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, and VW have jumped on board. And I say this as someone who frequently drives a car that spends more time at the gas station than on the road.

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

Well Stinky Finger Biden is or should be toast based on Me Too criteria. Tarra Reade is now just another "crazy" Bernie supporter according to MSNBC.

Reasons Biden will lose or be replaced.

1. Tarra Reade
2. Ukraine
3. China
4. Dementia
5. FBI Russia scandal
6. Trump will wipe the floor with him in any debate.
7. Middle America voters.

[LMAO]

Well Stinky Finger Biden is or should be toast based on Me Too criteria. Tarra Reade is now just another "crazy" Bernie supporter according to MSNBC.

Reasons Biden will lose or be replaced.

1. Tarra Reade
2. Ukraine
3. China
4. Dementia
5. FBI Russia scandal
6. Trump will wipe the floor with him in any debate.
7. Middle America voters.

Me in 2016 thinking why Trump will lost to Clinton:
1. At least 23 sexual assault accusations
2. "Grab her by the pussy"
3. John McCain
4. Russia
5. Dementia
6. Clinton wiped the floor with him in the debates
7. The Obama coalition coming together again for Clinton

You're sounding awfully like I, as well as many other Clinton voters, did in 2016. Even with a perfect storm, Trump still barely won against a female candidate with almost 30 years of propaganda against her, and Trump hasn't expanded his base during these past 4 years. The suburbs f***ing despise him, and the suburbs were the reason for the blue wave in 2018.

All I'm saying is you should pump your brakes and not be overconfident, or November could be a rude awakening for you like it was for me in 2016.

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

Well Stinky Finger Biden is or should be toast based on Me Too criteria. Tarra Reade is now just another "crazy" Bernie supporter according to MSNBC.

Reasons Biden will lose or be replaced.

1. Tarra Reade
2. Ukraine
3. China
4. Dementia
5. FBI Russia scandal
6. Trump will wipe the floor with him in any debate.
7. Middle America voters.

Me in 2016 thinking why Trump will lost to Clinton:
1. At least 23 sexual assault accusations
2. "Grab her by the pussy"
3. John McCain
4. Russia
5. Dementia
6. Clinton wiped the floor with him in the debates
7. The Obama coalition coming together again for Clinton

You're sounding awfully like I, as well as many other Clinton voters, did in 2016. Even with a perfect storm, Trump still barely won against a female candidate with almost 30 years of propaganda against her, and Trump hasn't expanded his base during these past 4 years. The suburbs f***ing despise him, and the suburbs were the reason for the blue wave in 2018.

All I'm saying is you should pump your brakes and not be overconfident, or November could be a rude awakening for you like it was for me in 2016.

What I am saying is that the Dems by running Biden are lost, not just an election but utterly lost. The thing about Trump is that Americans knew what they were getting, Biden is being supported by a willing media.

What is your opinion of Biden's situation? Or of Biden? Or any of the Veep suitors who are taking exactly the opposite stance on sexual harassment from Kavanaugh and even Trump?

The other boost Trump is going to get is from the FBI bullshit and the Durham report. The Flynn revelations are bound to be connected right back to Susan Rice or Obama if we are honest. Comey et all are caught. That is not a political point really other than they were acting politically and corruptly. It is more about what sort of nation we are or were. It will also reveal exactly who the real civil libertarians are and who the real fascists are.