Yago wrote:Salt and Wenger wrote:Police officers are allowed to do so in the states, a police officer can shoot or kill someone and at the worst they will lose their job. I'm not going to list individual cases you can find that out yourself. But it isnt one time, it isnt 2 there's many cases where it has happened. This isnt a rare failure in the justice system it's an inherent flaw that has been there for decades and you look at cases where police officers kill unarmed civillians you will see that they dont get convicted, so i wouldnt call it a flaw i would call it an unwritten law. Police are allowed to kill unarmed people.
What? This is nonsense. That it happens more often than it should doesn't change the fact it's a failure of the justice system, not of the law. By law, police officers killing unarmed people is unjustified and thus punishable. If those officers are let off the hook, it means people are covering up for it -> Still a failure of the justice system. Corruption is a big problem, and things have to change. But, according to law, those are crimes, and people committing them are criminals. The law doesn't condone police to kill unarmed people.
Laws are put in place for them to be upheld. If nothing is done to uphold the laws then it's a meaningless law and it suggests that the act is acceptable in the society despite whatever law they have on it. In the Eric Garner case there was video evidence that could not be covered up. It caught the whole engagement, so to not charge the police officers with at least man slaughter shows that despite whatever the law says killing someone as a police officer is acceptable. There's no point having a law that says police cannot kill unarmed people when every part of the law enforcement system allows it to take place.As i've said before, most people are trying to provide for their family so i dont see how it has any relevance really. If that was a compelling enough reason to not kill then no one ever would be killed in wars, by police etc, but at the end of the day it isnt so i dont accept that as reason enough to feel bad. The families are unlucky yes but sometimes thats just how things are.
I was merely pointing out those officers had not provoked anything, which makes their assassinations even harsher. @the bolded, there shouldn't be any reason not to kill them needed. Not killing people should be normal.
I agree it should be normal but when it isnt normal you are only stupid to act in that way. That is the environment so eutopian ideals are irrelevant. Yes those officers didnt do anything to provoke their deaths but the same goes the people police officers killed. Resisting arrest shouldnt be punishable by death the same way being a police officer shouldnt be punishable by death, in a lot of the cases people werent even resisting arrest and were still shot. That's the issue 1 group of people feeling that they are being unjustifiably killed so to react by killing other people unjustifiably is no worse. Both are bad but i would say the people who start it are worse.if police are able to kill people who are unarmed and at worst lose their jobs then i believe everyone should have this right because police should not be above the law.
No, they shouldn't, and that has to be fixed. But really? X got away with it so let's all just go on a killing spree? NO. That is no solution, and it's only going to make things worse.
Yes it makes things worse its quite clear to see that but thats the short term sacrifice. I'm not sure why but it seems like we have been lead to believe that drastic change can come peacefully, just looking back in history will tell you that the most drastic changes, whether it's to do with voting rights, revolutions and other rights have usually come about due to violence or very extreme triggers, all these talks about peaceful protests does very little, had that been the case things would have changed well before because people definitely have been talking about it peacefully. Now had the guy gone an killed the officers that killed eric garner maybe there would be some change, maybe there would be a lot i dont know. But i just feel personally that killing other officers that have nothing will provide internal pressures within the police force to change. Lets be honest no one wants their lives in danger because of what their dirty colleagues are doing whilst had it been the officers involved then the dirty cops would probably be more alert for that kind of thing whilst the rest continue to turn a blind eye.
No, there wouldn't. As Kronickaos said, actions like this one are only going to make things worse. The next time a cop sees a black man reaching into his pocket, he may think it's a gun and the man's another mad man coming for revenge. It's racist and stupid, but cops are going to be very tense after this. They just saw 2 of their own shot in cold blood for no reason at all.
I hate to break it to you but that is already the case for a lot of americans.Unfortunately when your at war there are casualties and thats how i see it. A certain group of people dont feel at threat from the police so they are returning the favour.
THIS IS NO WAR. This was an assassination of 2 innocent people.
you can call it whatever you want but the assassination comes from conflict and therefore it seem retaliatory to me. The guy involved probably would have targeted someone else or no one had the police not killed and condoned the killing of eric garner It isnt only the gun slinging gang banging black people in america that do not feel safe it's the majority. So i see no reason why the majority of the police force shouldnt feel unsafe.
yes, that's going to make it better. Your reasoning really is starting to baffle me.
it wont make it better in the short term no, but things werent getting better anywaythats how it should be
if every person in my family doesnt feel safe because of what your doing then every person in your family shouldnt feel safe either.
Why did I waste my time on this? You're not at war with the police.
