Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

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Ched Evans, guilty or not guilty of rape?

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Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby JordanTheGunner » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:42 am

Started reading into this Ched Evans stuff.

Usually when a high profile celeb comes up in the news, it's all some big misunderstanding and they are usually let off. But I never looked into this, I always thought courts needed substantial evidence as were normally very leniant towards celebs/famous people so I never looked into this case.

But now I have... opinions?
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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby NorthBank » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:53 pm

It's clearly an unsafe conviction. The only way that Evans could be found guilty is if the woman was too drunk to give consent to anybody, given that the jury acquitted his co-defendant (hence confirming that she wasn't too drunk to give consent) it beggars belief that they found him guilty.
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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby UFGN » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:27 pm

A poll on an internet forum to decide whether a man is guilty of rape or not.

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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby NorthBank » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:44 pm

Well if you bothered to read about the facts of the case you might be in a position to make a sensible comment.
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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby Royal Gooner » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:45 pm

We have to rely on the integrity of the jury who know more about the deeper details of this case than we do. However In my opinion the time when everyone who took the Juror's Oath could be expected to adhere to it are gone, now I think there are too many people who would take advantage of their position and argue for a verdict that suits their views rather than the evidence. Though of course this scenario might not apply to this case.
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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby NorthBank » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:51 pm

The crux of the case is whether the woman was too drunk to consent - the jury decided she wasn't by acquitting McDonald - therefore since there is no other evidence except that supplied by Evans/McDonald (who said she did consent) the conviction is illogical and hence unsafe.
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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby UFGN » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:59 pm

NorthBank wrote:Well if you bothered to read about the facts of the case you might be in a position to make a sensible comment.


No, I wouldn't.

Because I'm just some random on the internet.

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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby NorthBank » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:02 pm

There is a long history of miscarriages of justice, this is probably one of them. Doing the brass monkey doesn't serve fairness or justice.
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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby UFGN » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:17 pm

NorthBank wrote:There is a long history of miscarriages of justice, this is probably one of them. Doing the brass monkey doesn't serve fairness or justice.


It might be one of them. If it is I sincerely hope he is acquitted, and if that turns out to be the case then what a terrible injustice he has suffered.

However, playing Inspector Clueso on an Arsenal forum does not serve justice well. Our judicial system, for all its faults, at least offers scrutiny of cases in a professional setting, and long term, that system threatens to be undermined by idle Internet chatter and trial by media.

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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby NorthBank » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:23 pm

Your call - but the facts of the case point very strongly to a flawed verdict.
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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby JordanTheGunner » Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:33 am

I'm glad he still hasn't given up hope, hearing of new evidence/more witnesses.

There are those who won't read into it, because they know what they'll find and they won't like it, some would rather turn a blind eye, talk some crap about not knowing the facts and then say our justice system is lovely jubbly. Those sort of people are the ones letting down our country. A lot of those people also make up a big proportion of the government, not because they are idiotic by nature but probably because they are scared of losing their job.

If it does get overturned you have to question the sanity of either the people in the court room or the laws brought forward in court, maybe we need stricter regimes for jurors instead of Mike from down the pub?
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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby NorthBank » Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:21 pm

There are other issues arising from this case too. particularly the social media witch hunt. Evans served his sentence (for a crime which he was probably innocent) and yet is denied the opportunity to pick up his life. If he was a plumber or office wonk he could have done that.
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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby Héctor24 » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:01 pm

he wouldnt be able to pick his life back up if he was a plumber or office worker tbf

its why i'm more sympathetic towards men that have been accused of rape than i am the people doing the accusing. A rape accusation can ruine a mans life whilst well on the other side yes it could do if you were raped by someone with aids or something but it's not really likely.
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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby NorthBank » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:07 pm

Héctor24 wrote:he wouldnt be able to pick his life back up if he was a plumber or office worker tbf

its why i'm more sympathetic towards men that have been accused of rape than i am the people doing the accusing. A rape accusation can ruine a mans life whilst well on the other side yes it could do if you were raped by someone with aids or something but it's not really likely.
I think he probably would be able to get on with his life. I'm not sure where you're going with the rest of the rant.
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Re: Was Ched Evans correctly convicted in the first place?

Postby Héctor24 » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:09 pm

NorthBank wrote:
Héctor24 wrote:he wouldnt be able to pick his life back up if he was a plumber or office worker tbf

its why i'm more sympathetic towards men that have been accused of rape than i am the people doing the accusing. A rape accusation can ruine a mans life whilst well on the other side yes it could do if you were raped by someone with aids or something but it's not really likely.
I think he probably would be able to get on with his life. I'm not sure where you're going with the rest of the rant.


he's more likely to be able to get on with his life being semi famous than if no one really knew him. If no one knew him i doubt he'd be able to find employment, housing etc.

At least being semi famous he has a platform to set his own thing up.
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