I like the statement that
Religion is just a language.Except somebody needs to add that it's an outdated language that has been largely misinterpreted and is vague from the word go. Simplicity is the ideal. Not everybody is a Theologian/Philosopher to be able to dissect religion, just like not everyone is a scientist to be able to understand concepts clearly and precisely.
Journalistic writing is specifically aimed at being informal, simple, and specific. It's so because they want every common person, whether a Ph.D on a topic of Linguistics, or a common literate with no formal training to understand and be able to absorb the message as it's put originally. At least, that is the idea.
Religious scriptures aren't so and were held by a majority of controlling forces in the past. You needed to have a certain position to access those texts before Gutenberg arrived. Since then, the between-the-line, implied meaning has been replaced by straight, actual meaning. This has resulted in catastrophe. If the Catholic Church weren't so intent in exerting its political influence in Europa, or being the brokers between God and her children, perhaps - we'd have a better understanding, iteration, and analysis of the text.
The trials of witches and pagans are classic examples of that era.
Maradonaitis wrote:StLGooner wrote:Maradonaitis wrote:StLGooner wrote:Maradonaitis wrote:StLGooner wrote:Maradonaitis wrote:Brandon wrote:Callum wrote:I just don't get why people give a shit so much. How does two blokes getting married affect your life in any negative way?
f***ing old, bigoted c*nts
This is why I'm so proud of the Founding Fathers for having the foresight to know that separation of church and state would be best for America. Can't believe these f***ers are still trying to put their outdated holy book in secular law. f**k your marriage ideals because marriage =/= Christian values, and marriage was a thing wayyyyy before religion came about. Also, I love how they get so riled up about little things like gay marriage when they don't have a problem themselves eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabric clothing. Bunch of cherrypicking asswipes.
Good thing their influence is dwindling by the day. First the Confederate flag. Then Obamacare. Now gay marriage. It's certainly been a week of utter fails for them. When will they learn that they're fighting a losing battle?
it is not about religion, its about tribal tradition.
Its about fearing what it is unknown.
This is great on so many levels because it was a very conservative supreme court that voted for it.
The Reagan/Nixon ideology that poisoned the south is finally being cleaned.
Next elections are critical.
As i always said to the americans that i know.
"you hold the destiny of the entire planet when you vote for president" if you vote "correctly" it impacts on the entire world population.
hopefully hillary gets elected.
it would be terrible to have another bush for 4 years again.
f**k republicans
f**k them hard.
Fearing what is unknown is probably part of why religions were created. So yes, it is definitely about religion,
because if it didn’t have that specific part in Leviticus we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.
just no,
if you wanna know about what religion is and how religion works you dont go and ask to a neuroscientist (i know you are a Harris lover) you go to Harvard divinity school.
You're not even making sense, this has nothing to do with that.
yes it does, you put canonical text as the major force of why gay people where persecuted.
when you ignore that even some christian sects were practicising same sex marriage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelphopoiesisby blaming persecution on religion we are just ignoring reality.
reality is that, as religion justifys hate, also science does:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racismagain, blaming religion on why same sex marrage was not legal in the USA is a very unsophisticated way of analizing the situation, is the easy way out.
The manual was 130 pages long and listed 106 mental disorders.[14] These included several categories of "personality disturbance", generally distinguished from "neurosis" (nervousness, egodystonic).[15] In 1952, the APA listed homosexuality in the DSM as a sociopathic personality disturbance. Homosexuality: A Psychoanalytic Study of Male Homosexuals, a large-scale 1962 study of homosexuality, was used to justify inclusion of the disorder as a supposed pathological hidden fear of the opposite sex caused by traumatic parent–child relationships. This view was widely influential in the medical profession.you dont see anyone claiming science is the reason why homosexuals where persecuted.
Religion is not the enemy.
neither is science. they are just lenguages to describe the human experience.
You're just making a bunch of assumptions that are all wrong based off a sentence or two. My point is that there are other factors, but to say that religion isn't one of them is ignorant.
ignorant is taking a cannonical text that was written 2000 years ago and take it literally.
you are just as ignorant as a fundamentalist.
Instead of calling him ignorant, or calling anybody foolish for not empathizing with your point-of-view, you could go the extra mile to explain your conceptual standpoint.
You'e studied Philosophy. It's your DUTY not to judge people and clarify when people make mistakes or are misinformed. Not that anybody is misinformed here, but calling names and calling the other ignorant for not patronizing you is being dogmatic you know...
Jus sayin'
Brandon wrote:I can't speak for the rest of the world, but all of this discrimination in America (from slavery to racial discrimination to race mixing to gay marriage) comes directly from interpretations of the Bible. Here, people have used the Bible—and continue to do so—to justify their bigotry for all the aforementioned discriminations, as well as others not mentioned. It has nothing to do with tribal traditions or any of that stuff. When you use your holy book, your god, and Christianity to justify an action, it's most definitely concerning religion. It's about religion, it's always been about religion, and it will continue to be about religion until the last religious person ceases to exist in America.
For me, religion fails because it failed to put its message across, properly, adequately, astutely, and rationally.
Humans have always been elitist snobs. Whether it was back when the Earth was flat or anti-Heliocentrism, or the notion of, "Where is everybody?" that is doing its rounds today. Alternatively, since we've brought up Anthropology, there is a certain concept of Ethnocentricism.
I can understand Mara's stance that the shooter is the criminal and not the gun, but when the gun is so vague, naive, and all-pervading and teaches you to act in a notion that is neither clear nor precise, for most people in the world, you have to ask whether the shooter is just under the spell of ignorance, or is the gun so powerful that it directs you to act in a certain way because, acc. to many philosophers, religion is another tool of propaganda to control and manipulate people.
Any form of belief dies after the propounder dies. Sad reality. The left-behinds are merely misinterpreted by the followers and these misinterpreted words of the original faith-carrier becomes the gospel of truth.