Americans (concerning Rick Synder)

[Swan]

And the worst part is, there is a large segment of our population that doesn't understand that government money comes from the people

Does the federal government not give any of it's trillion dollar printing policy to the governement? or does it all go on debt management?

You don't even want to get me started on monetary policy and how f*cked beyond belief that is...

Long story short, our government gave the power to issue currency to a privately held bank in direct violation of the constitution. The Federal Reserve has as much to do with the federal government as my left testicle. Our government doesn't even print money.

Watch Inside Job, that will sum it up fairly well and give you a lesson on the financial collapse and how we've done FA to fix anything and prevent it from happening again.

Private, not public, what is their motivation? How do they measure their success? Do they aim for profit like every other bank, who is the money and gold for if not the government?

I will watch inside job, this will be the third documentary in the last 7 days about the US financial crisis. I have watched two 1hr to 90 minute presentations by specialist financial firms in the US about how the US economy/dollar will go and I am struggling to believe it could happen, it seems too unreal.

We'd all like to know the answers to those questions Rev, but the Federal Reserve is accountable to nobody...

It really does boggle the mind.

I hate saying it, because I know how whack-o it sounds... but our world economy really is controlled by the privileged few.

not sure if you seen it or not but when bernanki (spelling) was being asked by congress where did all the money go for the bank bail out he wouldn't tell them.. that just shows how much power the government has over them.. none..

but i do have a question..

so when obama won his presidency he got to select who runs the fed rev (he just kept bernaki) now is that just for show or or what because they aren't a real federal bank so it puzzles me.. i need some one smarter then me to explain it..

[Swan]

i know i'm a conspiracy nut to most but this is all a path to a one world currency and to hand the power to a small selected few (which they mostly have already)..

[Reverend Gooner]

I just watched "Inside job" and I cannot believe Obama, the same mother f***ers who created the financial crisis and caused so much economic pain to millions without guilt are the same people who are advising and influencing policy in his administration. He has done naff all and it seems they have all the power in the world. Is Obama greedy and taking the greens or is he being threatened with something which could threaten his adminstration or party? (in a financial sense I mean , nothing sinister).

All the players at the top of the financial market are first class *****, the whole industry breeds *****. Those 2 guys being interviewed all the time in the documentary are so slimy and will never get the comeuppance they deserve. That 100 cents forced deal to the investment banks was a grand swindle of the American taxpayer, if I was an American I would be livid.

This whole thing about betting and speculating on the financial markets should never be allowed when they are the main players themselves. It is such a conflict of interest it is criminal and it can be used to guarantee that no matter how hard a collapse they can walk away up to their eyes in cash and stocks.

One thing which stood out for me is the guy who officially said "There will definately be no housing market collapse" a year before the collapse is the same guy who is now in charge of the federal reserve and released a press statement recently saying "There is no way the dollar will collapse leading to hyperinflation"...... mmm


I notice when they talked about countries that did add in much needed regulation they didn't mention the UK. Other European countries did but no mention of us. I hope we did and if not we need to start looking to Europe and not to the USA for ideas.


I have just seen another example of the US government not learning. You had the deepwater oil spill last year which caused untold environmental damage and has led to the deaths of countless marine life and serious health effects on workers (which are being deliberately ignored). There is a new oil spill in the gulf that has popped up in the same area but has been massively unreported and now we know why as the government and the oil industry wouldn't want anything to jeopardise.....

The new oil contract been given out in the Gulf for deepwater drilling this time to Shell. This is in an area closer to a fault line and even deeper than before so any mistakes will be even harder to rectify. Due to the hazards this area was previously a restricted area but the feds thought "what the hell".

[Leody]

Eye opening isn't Rev...

And Fab's you're right about nothing being done and nobody being taken to task, but I think that things will change in our lifetime. People are as a whole becoming better informed. We no long rely on a single form of media and it isn't as easy for the power elite to silence people through denial of media usage. Hopefully there will come a point where we can truly be free and do something to change the system.

The more who know, the better.

[Forest]

They gave the people what they wanted while they did what they wanted and made fortunes, it made people blind and only realising when it was too late. Its a massive swindle but unfortunatly majority people dont understand it.

Obama gave the people hope but the powers that be squashed the hope, its a real shame.

[Leody]

but i do have a question..

so when obama won his presidency he got to select who runs the fed rev (he just kept bernaki) now is that just for show or or what because they aren't a real federal bank so it puzzles me.. i need some one smarter then me to explain it..

Sounds like crazy talk... but Obama doesn't give a shit about doing the right thing. Never has. No politician does. They all work for big business and the banks. They're all about lining their own pockets and fleecing the working-class. Why do you think they're trying to pass legislation like Net Neutrality? To keep the populace in the dark.

If you doubt that, just ask yourself this question. Why would somebody spend tens of millions of dollars for a job in Congress that pays about $200k?

[Leody]

Obama gave the people hope but the powers that be squashed the hope, its a real shame.

You could look at it that way, or like I do... he's a bullshit artist that swindled the people. He's a puppet that the people like to listen to. It wasn't hard to see coming. When was the last time any politician did what they said they would? Especially the president.

[Forest]

Very true, the Russian guy said that that a modern Russia should be closer to the world and europe, first thing he did was cut off some ties and put restrictions on imports.

Is it fair to say alot of candidates are puppets because the backers/sponsors all have their own objectives and agenders?

[Leody]

Absolutely that's fair to say.

There's been rumblings and some small efforts to rework campaign finance. The way things work now is, special interest groups, lobbyists and private donors will contribute millions to candidates. They then expect said candidate to do certain things for them once they're in office... and if they don't, well no funding for your reelection campaign. And with no term limits for members of Congress... that becomes a really big deal for them. You could be, and there has been, a Congressman for life. People spend 40-50 years in Congress. Nothing ever gets done to change it though, because who's going to vote to end their career in Congress?

[StLGooner]

Obama gave the people hope but the powers that be squashed the hope, its a real shame.

You could look at it that way, or like I do... he's a bullshit artist that swindled the people. He's a puppet that the people like to listen to. It wasn't hard to see coming. When was the last time any politician did what they said they would? Especially the president.

And yet, all the gullible Americans come out every election and put all their belief in these liars, criminals, and thieves, and then act all surprised when nothing that was promised happens. Its the reason why I don't even follow politics or pay any kind of attention to whats going on. Its pointless.

[Leody]

Leody/Fab - Do you think Obama has done more harm than good till now? How do you compare his regime with Bush?

To me Obama is just Bush on steroids. More of the same times ten.

[Fabrestuta]

Leody/Fab - Do you think Obama has done more harm than good till now? How do you compare his regime with Bush?

Bush was an idiot, but over some things he didn't get credit for, Obama is just out of his league imo. He is not experienced enough to run a country, let alone one the size of America, and has been found out. I can't vote but to be honest I wouldn't have voted for either. I know a lot of people who voted for Obama and have lost all faith in him.

[Reverend Gooner]

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/goi ... -586b-cash

Why go into Libya when your finances are this dire?

[Leody]

Leody/Fab - Do you think Obama has done more harm than good till now? How do you compare his regime with Bush?

To me Obama is just Bush on steroids. More of the same times ten.

Because of the way he is handled the economic crisis?

Mostly, yes.

The amount of spending is just insane. The lies about transparency. The lies about removing earmarks. The lack of any substantial financial reform.

The best is when he was running against McCain he said a vote for McCain is a vote for more troops in Afghanistan and a third war in the middle east... hmmm funny that.

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[Forest]

Do you or Fabs think it would of been any different with McCain? or is it a case of who ever comes in cant do anything different because of the shit and power/money men?

Suprising how your just throwing more and more money at everything without reforms or cuts or changes, worse than Labour as there idea was spend your way out of debt, f**k knows how it works.