American Politics

[theHotHead]

If I’m buying a product and it’s listed for $20 but the final sales price is $45, you sure as f**k better tell me why.

Trying to obfuscate these details on receipts is classic Trump. Avoid consequences for your actions at all costs, including the detriment of others.

Nonsense !

When you buy fuel in the UK do they break down the receipt or show at source that 53% of the cost is fuel tax ? It is what it is, likewise with tariffs, they are what they are, they don't need to be shown. Either pay the money or don't pay the money, they are your choices.

[UFGN]

It is telling the truth, but it is also a hostile political act, the 2 are not mutually exclusive

Stop defending the indefensible

Would you listen to yourself?

It's not even uncommon for businesses to advertise taxes levied. But advertising this particular tax is politically hostile? STFU!!

Tariffs and taxes are not the same thing. Nobody shows tariffs, to begin doing so now is political.

Firstly, of course they are taxes. I mean, they are literally taxes, that’s what they are. Why are you lying for your orange god?

Secondly, it’s not political, it’s business

[theHotHead]

You know exactly what I mean, don't play silly buggers.

Show me a single invoice/receipt you have received that shows "tariffs" as taxes !! Show me something that even outlines what the tariffs are ! They are not even shown

[jayramfootball]

If I’m buying a product and it’s listed for $20 but the final sales price is $45, you sure as f**k better tell me why.

Trying to obfuscate these details on receipts is classic Trump. Avoid consequences for your actions at all costs, including the detriment of others.

Are your priorities in life to be a consumer of cheap CCP imports or support US workers and businesses? Yes prices might jump, but they have not yet.

It is quite amazing that just a few years ago the Hollywood crowd and Progressives were very upset with China over child and slave labor. Now they seem to be cheering for the CCP. Ted, are you hoping Trump fails in reviving our economy and cutting a trillion in waste, or want nothing to be done?

How many dolls do you need? We need to get back being a nation of producers not simply consumers. We seem to be on track, fingers crossed.

I highly suspect the priorities would shift depending on which party is in power.

[TedLasso]

If I’m buying a product and it’s listed for $20 but the final sales price is $45, you sure as f**k better tell me why.

Trying to obfuscate these details on receipts is classic Trump. Avoid consequences for your actions at all costs, including the detriment of others.

Are your priorities in life to be a consumer of cheap CCP imports or support US workers and businesses? Yes prices might jump, but they have not yet.

It is quite amazing that just a few years ago the Hollywood crowd and Progressives were very upset with China over child and slave labor. Now they seem to be cheering for the CCP. Ted, are you hoping Trump fails in reviving our economy and cutting a trillion in waste, or want nothing to be done?

How many dolls do you need? We need to get back being a nation of producers not simply consumers. We seem to be on track, fingers crossed.

Quick question, have you seen a plan to rebuild the manufacturing industry in America?

If so, can you share it with the class? Will you be signing up to work in them? Your children?

I actually do believe that America should create/produce more of our own things. However, Trump hasn’t produced any realistic plan to accomplish this in a way that doesn’t destroy high paying jobs and ship those to India.

Do you think it’s good business to move out our middle class jobs so that we can have more minimum wage jobs? This is good economics to you?

Easy to see how easily duped you are.

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

Pay attention perhaps? The plan is to manufacture steel, aluminum, cars, AI chips, basic chips, here. Deregulate and provide cheap energy and a tariff free environment. Use N American resources. That brings middle class jobs back and starts to turn us away from consumers to producers. It is making a business friendly environment and stand back while business does their thing. Not government. Not government to the point that tech companies have the green light to build their own power stations to make manufacturing even cheaper for them and not depend on the grid.

Yes, he and Bessent have trotted out a dozen chip and other industry leaders from all over the globe. Apple, Honda, Toyota, VW even and others have started building or have committed. $9 trillion so far.

Here is how it works in practice. (basic stuff dude) Honda builds in Kentucky or Ohio. That employs building companies that utilize other suppliers creating more jobs . Honda hires their work force who now have money to spend locally in shops, buy cars and trucks etc., That creates more jobs. Then Honda has a whole network of US based suppliers for their equipment, metals, electronics...more companies thrive as we are seeing already.

I am retired. My kids are either business owners or executives at other companies. My son in law is CEO of American operations for a laser manufacturer. That gives me some insight into how tariffs and deregulation is being handled. My daughter who is an executive at a biotech firm is currently super busy converting their German operations back to the US (tariffs but mostly the regulatory jungle dealing with EU and German regulations and poor work ethic. My son in laws firm is also international but have far more sales opportunities in the US now so are buying out smaller companies around the US to expand quickly.

In short there are bumps in terms of finding US manufactures for inputs but companies are seeing great opportunity and moving fast be the leader in their fields.

You have it back-asswords . Manufacturing jobs are obviously not minimum wage jobs. A service/consumer based economy as we and the UK have now is both vulnerable and unsustainable.

What I see with this Trump hate to the point that people want him to fail, want the country to fail because they have egos wrapped up in politics. We saw the same with Obama from the right. ODS and TDS, neither are positive outlooks.

Did you not understand what Trump was saying about all the dolls? Watch it all.

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CVtFYvSgWk

Trade deal between UK and US is signed. Both seem pleased as punch. Trump said the UK was first. Now the rest can be announced soon.

Starmer is calling him Donald and Trump is calling him Keir. A nice warming situation between allies. RR engines and other aerospace parts into the US tariff free, US ag goes to Britain. Ludnick said the basis for the agreement was that the UK is cutting EU and other imports in favor of US products. Given RFK Jr has banned many ingredients/additives that the UK has long banned too it opens the door for free trade. Boeing sells planes into the UK as well.

I would expect that the rest will be done in similar fashion and be signed. Very positive news except for China and the EU. EU countries are doing their own deals anyway and Ursula and Macron are scrambling. Why not just get onboard I wonder? The new trade order will not wait.


If anyone wants a good watch in terms of understanding how things get done in the WH now, watch Trump's signing pressers every day.

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

If I’m buying a product and it’s listed for $20 but the final sales price is $45, you sure as f**k better tell me why.

Trying to obfuscate these details on receipts is classic Trump. Avoid consequences for your actions at all costs, including the detriment of others.

Are your priorities in life to be a consumer of cheap CCP imports or support US workers and businesses? Yes prices might jump, but they have not yet.

It is quite amazing that just a few years ago the Hollywood crowd and Progressives were very upset with China over child and slave labor. Now they seem to be cheering for the CCP. Ted, are you hoping Trump fails in reviving our economy and cutting a trillion in waste, or want nothing to be done?

How many dolls do you need? We need to get back being a nation of producers not simply consumers. We seem to be on track, fingers crossed.

I highly suspect the priorities would shift depending on which party is in power.

I agree sadly.

[theHotHead]

Trump announced tariffs, the world was up in arms but all came pleading for trade deals as Trump predicted.

Everyone is negotiating with the US, the UK have now signed trade deals with India and the US, more trade deals will follow, the world will settle down, Trump would've brought trillions back to the US.

Surely only the most rabid twisted Trump haters will be the ones left chanting the mantra that Trump is bad.

[jayramfootball]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CVtFYvSgWk

Trade deal between UK and US is signed. Both seem pleased as punch. Trump said the UK was first. Now the rest can be announced soon.

Starmer is calling him Donald and Trump is calling him Keir. A nice warming situation between allies. RR engines and other aerospace parts into the US tariff free, US ag goes to Britain. Ludnick said the basis for the agreement was that the UK is cutting EU and other imports in favor of US products. Given RFK Jr has banned many ingredients/additives that the UK has long banned too it opens the door for free trade. Boeing sells planes into the UK as well.

I would expect that the rest will be done in similar fashion and be signed. Very positive news except for China and the EU. EU countries are doing their own deals anyway and Ursula and Macron are scrambling. Why not just get onboard I wonder? The new trade order will not wait.


If anyone wants a good watch in terms of understanding how things get done in the WH now, watch Trump's signing pressers every day.

Great to see the UK first to get a deal.
Big benefit of Brexit.
Trump seems to be winning the economic debate.

[jayramfootball]

India about to slash tariffs on US goods and give the US preferential treatment vs other countries for selling goods into the huge Indian market.

Trump is reshaping the entire world system and he’s winning.

[jayramfootball]

If I’m buying a product and it’s listed for $20 but the final sales price is $45, you sure as f**k better tell me why.

Trying to obfuscate these details on receipts is classic Trump. Avoid consequences for your actions at all costs, including the detriment of others.

Nonsense !

When you buy fuel in the UK do they break down the receipt or show at source that 53% of the cost is fuel tax ? It is what it is, likewise with tariffs, they are what they are, they don't need to be shown. Either pay the money or don't pay the money, they are your choices.

Good point.
It’s comical to see people selectively outraged over anything they can find to be outraged over just because - Trump - and they don’t have the self awareness to even realise that they never complained before about the exact same thing they are now so vocal about.

[TedLasso]

Learning they dont show you fuel tax on your receipts in the UK is interesting. It is mandatory in some states here in the US.

[Pat Rice in Short Shorts]

Learning they dont show you fuel tax on your receipts in the UK is interesting. It is mandatory in some states here in the US.

Yes. It is a good reminder. When the taxes exceed the cost of the fuel it gets crazy and economically counter productive. Many states restrict the use of state taxes to road maintenance and snow plowing etc. CA and others keep raising them to buffer general spending. Then we have the likes of Al Gore and Obama who proposed raising the taxes to 200% of fuel costs to address climate. Economic suicide, but typical elitist bullshit.

Could someone tell me if the EU also imposes such taxes on top of national taxes?

[jayramfootball]

Learning they dont show you fuel tax on your receipts in the UK is interesting. It is mandatory in some states here in the US.

Yes. It is a good reminder. When the taxes exceed the cost of the fuel it gets crazy and economically counter productive. Many states restrict the use of state taxes to road maintenance and snow plowing etc. CA and others keep raising them to buffer general spending. Then we have the likes of Al Gore and Obama who proposed raising the taxes to 200% of fuel costs to address climate. Economic suicide, but typical elitist bullshit.

Could someone tell me if the EU also imposes such taxes on top of national taxes?

We pay around $8.50 per gallon in the UK.
Currently 55% of that is tax.
Has been as high as 75%
We also get taxed £1000's if we move home - each and every time we move home. Can run into tens of thousands if you buy a second home.

Calculations vary - but when ALL taxes are taken into account, on average we pay about 55%-60% tax on our earnings, most of it hidden taxes like fuel tax.