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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:42 am

theHotHead wrote:What the hell is going on with all this Greenland sabre rattling ???

Trump cannot be serious lol !! I mean he has come out with some crazy shit before and gone ahead and done it but this is an entirely different level of madness !

In the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious !


A stupid question from the media and they get knicker twisted. What will happen is that Greenlanders will vote, in March I think it is, to gain their independence from Denmark and a deal will be struck. Egede said yesterday that would be the case. not a surprise to him. One to really watch is Poilievre and Trump when Canada gets its new PM. Don't pay any attention Trump trolling Trudeau or the EU. One would think everyone would get how Trump operates by now!

This one will happen for sure with liberty and sovereignty for all! One of last European colonies will be free. :1990_dancing.gif:
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Re: American Politics

Postby VCC » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:07 am

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:
theHotHead wrote:What the hell is going on with all this Greenland sabre rattling ???

Trump cannot be serious lol !! I mean he has come out with some crazy shit before and gone ahead and done it but this is an entirely different level of madness !

In the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious !


A stupid question from the media and they get knicker twisted. What will happen is that Greenlanders will vote, in March I think it is, to gain their independence from Denmark and a deal will be struck. Egede said yesterday that would be the case. not a surprise to him. One to really watch is Poilievre and Trump when Canada gets its new PM. Don't pay any attention Trump trolling Trudeau or the EU. One would think everyone would get how Trump operates by now!

This one will happen for sure with liberty and sovereignty for all! One of last European colonies will be free. :1990_dancing.gif:

Nothing like expansion to bring your Trillions of debt down.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:26 pm

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:
theHotHead wrote:What the hell is going on with all this Greenland sabre rattling ???

Trump cannot be serious lol !! I mean he has come out with some crazy shit before and gone ahead and done it but this is an entirely different level of madness !

In the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious !


A stupid question from the media and they get knicker twisted. What will happen is that Greenlanders will vote, in March I think it is, to gain their independence from Denmark and a deal will be struck. Egede said yesterday that would be the case. not a surprise to him. One to really watch is Poilievre and Trump when Canada gets its new PM. Don't pay any attention Trump trolling Trudeau or the EU. One would think everyone would get how Trump operates by now!

This one will happen for sure with liberty and sovereignty for all! One of last European colonies will be free. :1990_dancing.gif:

Yes, we know how Trump operates—like an idiot and like a fascist. His worst instincts were curbed in his first term, but this time around there will be a lot less pushback so there's really no way to know what will happen.

I don't for a second think he's bluffing or "negotiating" with any of his rhetoric around Canada/Greenland/Panama Canal. I think he's copying Putin. He saw Putin and Russia grab territory in Ukraine and, in his mind, he needs to do the same to prove he is "tough and strong" like Putin.

This is how Trump's brain works. He doesn't understand anything about geopolitics, e.g. that the US already de facto controls Canada and the Panama Canal with soft power and would gain absolutely nothing even if they were to genuinely annex these territories without any resistance.

He simply wants to project power and wants to be feared/liked and appear strong. Whether he can transform the military and get in generals who will obey his crazy requests remains to be seen.

But ultimately, even if he fails, and his term ends up being an uneventful compromise between him and the so-called establishment (aka sane people who don't want to destroy the world) the damage he's done is already irreversible. American people no longer believe in elections, democracy, courts, free media, rule of law, or respect any institutions. The rules-based order in America is dead and the country is ripe for a full-on autocrat to take power.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:02 am

Not only not much push back but global rejection of the leftist agenda which has failed soo many, Freedom rocks and most people choose freedom,

Seems like Europeans are forgetting that Greenland has a voice now. Greenlanders for the most part resent the Danes, The majority want closer tires with the US and have since WWII when the US fed them and kept them afloat . They resent the Danes taking their resources and only returning a fraction of the cash to them . They also want to be reconnected with Inuit people across the north. If you check YouTube there are journalists interviewing Greenlanders about this issue. The Danes have very a very poor record in Greenland as one of the last colonial rulers.

The US has a base that used be called Thule AFB (now it has a native name) that we used to have around for the cold war and now is a Space Force base that protects Europe and N America from ICBM attacks. But NATO pays nothing for that protection.

I guess you might want to pay closer attention to the bigger picture. Mentioning Putin , why do want him and Xi to control the Arctic? Greenland is being surrounded by their navies and they will be able to control the NW passage as it opens up more and more unless someone stops them. Greenlanders know this all too well.


Strange that you know what is in another man's heart so definitively. Sounds like a bad case of TDS, the prevalent symptom is lack of logical thinking. This one is not that hard to think through if a guy considers facts and what the Greenlanders actually want.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:11 am

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Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:
theHotHead wrote:What the hell is going on with all this Greenland sabre rattling ???

Trump cannot be serious lol !! I mean he has come out with some crazy shit before and gone ahead and done it but this is an entirely different level of madness !

In the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious !


A stupid question from the media and they get knicker twisted. What will happen is that Greenlanders will vote, in March I think it is, to gain their independence from Denmark and a deal will be struck. Egede said yesterday that would be the case. not a surprise to him. One to really watch is Poilievre and Trump when Canada gets its new PM. Don't pay any attention Trump trolling Trudeau or the EU. One would think everyone would get how Trump operates by now!

This one will happen for sure with liberty and sovereignty for all! One of last European colonies will be free. :1990_dancing.gif:

Nothing like expansion to bring your Trillions of debt down.
A debt shared is a debt halved


The debt certainly needs to be delt with. The whole west has that problem to fix or we can hand our asses to China. Greenland is a security issue as much as an economic one. Greenlanders sit on trillions in resources... fish, minerals, oil and gas, and they make about $40k a year per household. They want their share. No doubt there will a deal done. maybe a territory like Guam or more likely an economic partnership. The same sort of economic deal will be struck with Canada. These sort of deals should be good for all involved. not so great for the EU or China.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:26 am

As an independent country, like any other, Greenland can ( when independent,) pick and choose which private companies it wishes to do business with regarding exploitation of it's resources. They can choose US, European or Chinese companies on a private contract basis. No need to give any economic concessions to the US government. Pathetic colonial cos play from the orange muppet.
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Re: American Politics

Postby theHotHead » Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:01 pm

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:Not only not much push back but global rejection of the leftist agenda which has failed soo many, Freedom rocks and most people choose freedom,

Seems like Europeans are forgetting that Greenland has a voice now. Greenlanders for the most part resent the Danes, The majority want closer tires with the US and have since WWII when the US fed them and kept them afloat . They resent the Danes taking their resources and only returning a fraction of the cash to them . They also want to be reconnected with Inuit people across the north. If you check YouTube there are journalists interviewing Greenlanders about this issue. The Danes have very a very poor record in Greenland as one of the last colonial rulers.

The US has a base that used be called Thule AFB (now it has a native name) that we used to have around for the cold war and now is a Space Force base that protects Europe and N America from ICBM attacks. But NATO pays nothing for that protection.

I guess you might want to pay closer attention to the bigger picture. Mentioning Putin , why do want him and Xi to control the Arctic? Greenland is being surrounded by their navies and they will be able to control the NW passage as it opens up more and more unless someone stops them. Greenlanders know this all too well.


Strange that you know what is in another man's heart so definitively. Sounds like a bad case of TDS, the prevalent symptom is lack of logical thinking. This one is not that hard to think through if a guy considers facts and what the Greenlanders actually want.

PRSS - its Jedi you are talking about !! Him and "logical thinking" don't often go hand in hand.

Welcome back by the way, hope things are well.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:34 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:Not only not much push back but global rejection of the leftist agenda which has failed soo many, Freedom rocks and most people choose freedom,

Seems like Europeans are forgetting that Greenland has a voice now. Greenlanders for the most part resent the Danes, The majority want closer tires with the US and have since WWII when the US fed them and kept them afloat . They resent the Danes taking their resources and only returning a fraction of the cash to them . They also want to be reconnected with Inuit people across the north. If you check YouTube there are journalists interviewing Greenlanders about this issue. The Danes have very a very poor record in Greenland as one of the last colonial rulers.

The US has a base that used be called Thule AFB (now it has a native name) that we used to have around for the cold war and now is a Space Force base that protects Europe and N America from ICBM attacks. But NATO pays nothing for that protection.

I guess you might want to pay closer attention to the bigger picture. Mentioning Putin , why do want him and Xi to control the Arctic? Greenland is being surrounded by their navies and they will be able to control the NW passage as it opens up more and more unless someone stops them. Greenlanders know this all too well.


Strange that you know what is in another man's heart so definitively. Sounds like a bad case of TDS, the prevalent symptom is lack of logical thinking. This one is not that hard to think through if a guy considers facts and what the Greenlanders actually want.

PRSS - its Jedi you are talking about !! Him and "logical thinking" don't often go hand in hand.

Welcome back by the way, hope things are well.



Isn’t it funny that everyone you disagree with “isn’t capable of logical thinking”?

Maybe they just think you’re wrong?
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:04 pm

PRSS - its Jedi you are talking about !! Him and "logical thinking" don't often go hand in hand.

Welcome back by the way, hope things are well.


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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:13 pm

UFGN wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:Not only not much push back but global rejection of the leftist agenda which has failed soo many, Freedom rocks and most people choose freedom,

Seems like Europeans are forgetting that Greenland has a voice now. Greenlanders for the most part resent the Danes, The majority want closer tires with the US and have since WWII when the US fed them and kept them afloat . They resent the Danes taking their resources and only returning a fraction of the cash to them . They also want to be reconnected with Inuit people across the north. If you check YouTube there are journalists interviewing Greenlanders about this issue. The Danes have very a very poor record in Greenland as one of the last colonial rulers.

The US has a base that used be called Thule AFB (now it has a native name) that we used to have around for the cold war and now is a Space Force base that protects Europe and N America from ICBM attacks. But NATO pays nothing for that protection.

I guess you might want to pay closer attention to the bigger picture. Mentioning Putin , why do want him and Xi to control the Arctic? Greenland is being surrounded by their navies and they will be able to control the NW passage as it opens up more and more unless someone stops them. Greenlanders know this all too well.


Strange that you know what is in another man's heart so definitively. Sounds like a bad case of TDS, the prevalent symptom is lack of logical thinking. This one is not that hard to think through if a guy considers facts and what the Greenlanders actually want.

PRSS - its Jedi you are talking about !! Him and "logical thinking" don't often go hand in hand.

Welcome back by the way, hope things are well.



Isn’t it funny that everyone you disagree with “isn’t capable of logical thinking”?

Maybe they just think you’re wrong?


90% of the time (I made that % up BTW :sneaky2: ) emotional responses to issues are not logical, while logic leads a man to rational positions and thus solutions. Opinions are free, 32% of mine are wrong (I made that % up too!)

We were taught Socratic thinking in my early 1970s English secondary education. Have they ceased that?
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:30 pm

UFGN wrote:As an independent country, like any other, Greenland can ( when independent,) pick and choose which private companies it wishes to do business with regarding exploitation of it's resources. They can choose US, European or Chinese companies on a private contract basis. No need to give any economic concessions to the US government. Pathetic colonial cos play from the orange muppet.



IMO you were right until the last bit. It contradicts the first part which was indeed right. Before they can get there though they need a bunch of infrastructure, trade deals and security sorted out.

The position a majority of Greenlanders is that they are being ripped off by the Danes and was the case six years ago when he brought this up. In the meantime Greenland has scheduled their independence vote for this spring and they will no doubt vote to expel Denmark and deal directly with both Canada and the US, probably the EU as well. As free men why not? And it seems more than a bit condescending towards them to claim they don't have the wherewithal to steer their own course. If it is what Trump/US is proposing then they will decide.

They get it. They are about to become the Saudis of the North and good for them. The Inuit in Canada are trying to do the same thing, they got their own Province. Inuit natives are still pissed off about the ending of their baby seal harvest and other traditional subsistence activities. That was all pushed on them by the EU and Canada,
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:26 am

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:
UFGN wrote:As an independent country, like any other, Greenland can ( when independent,) pick and choose which private companies it wishes to do business with regarding exploitation of it's resources. They can choose US, European or Chinese companies on a private contract basis. No need to give any economic concessions to the US government. Pathetic colonial cos play from the orange muppet.



IMO you were right until the last bit. It contradicts the first part which was indeed right. Before they can get there though they need a bunch of infrastructure, trade deals and security sorted out.

The position a majority of Greenlanders is that they are being ripped off by the Danes and was the case six years ago when he brought this up. In the meantime Greenland has scheduled their independence vote for this spring and they will no doubt vote to expel Denmark and deal directly with both Canada and the US, probably the EU as well. As free men why not? And it seems more than a bit condescending towards them to claim they don't have the wherewithal to steer their own course. If it is what Trump/US is proposing then they will decide.

They get it. They are about to become the Saudis of the North and good for them. The Inuit in Canada are trying to do the same thing, they got their own Province. Inuit natives are still pissed off about the ending of their baby seal harvest and other traditional subsistence activities. That was all pushed on them by the EU and Canada,


Their history is indeed one of being occupied and patronised, and I don’t think they’ll take kindly to the Umpa Lumpa patronising and dominating them now.

I know how id play it if I were them, and it would be to base any agreements on private enterprise. Any continuing letting of space for air bases would come with a requirement to defend the country from direct and indirect foreign invasion, and would be completely separate to mineral or fishery contracts.

And no domestic political interference.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:38 pm

I agree with that.

Currently Greenland is defended by the US rather than Denmark, if we are honest Denmark is defended by the US too.

The media response to all this is very amusing. No doubt for Greenlanders especially! Suddenly everyone is up there interviewing them and projecting their (the news outlet's) spin on it all. BBC shows Greenlanders rejecting it all, many journalists others post videos of Greenlanders, especially younger ones saying "buy Greenland!". If one goes on YouTube and search Greenland Trump there are a string of videos and it is very easy to tell what the outlet wants the message to be, both ways.

Then we have the polling of Greenlanders who are not very accustomed to being asked what they think or want. The two that stand out are the U of Copenhagen poll that shows 68% of the population wants independence from Denmark and another that shows 57% want to become a US state.

If I was a Greenlander I would vote for independence then negotiate a very close security and economic relations with the US, perhaps become a territory like Guam. Either way they decide it has to be in their own best interest, as it will.

Nobody is invading them, nobody is "buying" them. The whole idea that Denmark ever had the right to sell Greenland is a bit archaic these days. Though it should be noted that the US has expanded in the past through purchasing territory. The Louisiana Purchase, Alaska. I did know it before all this, but the US tried twice before to buy it from Denmark but rebuffed.

The narrative is suddenly shifting to environmental concerns. Some folks want it kept a vast wilderness to be unexploited. ( It is indeed a stunning place, I was there once in 1986 for a few hours in Thule and flew over the southern tip many times). But the folks there have a right to bettering their lives just as Guyana does by extracting resources and benefiting the people . Not great news for the Just Stop Oil folks. Hard to lay down in sea to stop a tanker!


Here is an idea...they can rename the Straight of Denmark to Straight of Greenland!
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:44 pm

One thing that has become interesting over the past couple days is an Inuit group in Canada has revived their interest in a unified Inuit Nation that stretched from Inuit areas of NE Alaska across northern Canada to include Greenland. That pipe dream might be far closer to reality than ever before at least in part.

That said, the US will never give up the North Slope of Alaska oil.
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Re: American Politics

Postby theHotHead » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:25 pm

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Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:Not only not much push back but global rejection of the leftist agenda which has failed soo many, Freedom rocks and most people choose freedom,

Seems like Europeans are forgetting that Greenland has a voice now. Greenlanders for the most part resent the Danes, The majority want closer tires with the US and have since WWII when the US fed them and kept them afloat . They resent the Danes taking their resources and only returning a fraction of the cash to them . They also want to be reconnected with Inuit people across the north. If you check YouTube there are journalists interviewing Greenlanders about this issue. The Danes have very a very poor record in Greenland as one of the last colonial rulers.

The US has a base that used be called Thule AFB (now it has a native name) that we used to have around for the cold war and now is a Space Force base that protects Europe and N America from ICBM attacks. But NATO pays nothing for that protection.

I guess you might want to pay closer attention to the bigger picture. Mentioning Putin , why do want him and Xi to control the Arctic? Greenland is being surrounded by their navies and they will be able to control the NW passage as it opens up more and more unless someone stops them. Greenlanders know this all too well.


Strange that you know what is in another man's heart so definitively. Sounds like a bad case of TDS, the prevalent symptom is lack of logical thinking. This one is not that hard to think through if a guy considers facts and what the Greenlanders actually want.

PRSS - its Jedi you are talking about !! Him and "logical thinking" don't often go hand in hand.

Welcome back by the way, hope things are well.



Isn’t it funny that everyone you disagree with “isn’t capable of logical thinking”?

Maybe they just think you’re wrong?

Mate, I am the most logical person I know, that's why I can accept other opinions, thats why I can see merit in other opinions even if I don't necessarily agree with them.

You on the other hand are just straight mental mode as soon as someone has an opposing point of view. There is never any give in your attitude, you act like a rabid dog with a bone !

Jedi's arguments (and yours) reach horribly, normally (think mental gymnastics ). If you have to reach that much to make your point valid that tells me your point is NOT logical !
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