The definitive World War 3 paranoia thread

[themessiah]

They killed Nasrallah.

[jayramfootball]

They killed Nasrallah.

Unlikely to make much of a difference in the WW3 stakes.
He was a terrorist leader after all.
It will significantly escalate the war in the ME, however.

[Jedi]

They killed Nasrallah.

Unlikely to make much of a difference in the WW3 stakes.
He was a terrorist leader after all.
It will significantly escalate the war in the ME, however.

From an objective standpoint, I don't see what Iran does here.

Israel is destroying all of Iran's proxies, killed the Hamas and Hezbollah leaders and Iran's credibility is deteriorating rapidly.

On one hand, they have to stop the bleeding and do something to respond to this. On the other, I don't think Israel is going to "take the win" again and ignore another direct attack from Iran.

And I think Iran is terrified of that. Specifically , they're terrified that if they attack Israel directly again, Israel will respond by targeting Iran's nuclear facilities and that means war. And war means you're getting your sh*t f*cked by the US military which effectively guarantees your regime's days are numbered.

They're in a no-win situation.

[jayramfootball]

I am reading now that Nasrallah's replacement has been killed literally hours after taking over.
Quite a dangerous job being the leader of Hezbollah as it turns out.

[UFGN]

With Israel it always comes back to the simple truth that if their enemies laid down their weapons, there would be peace in the Middle East almost immediately. But if Israel laid down it's weapons they would be annihilated almost immediately.

I can't stand Israel's warmongering government, but on issues like attacking Hezbollah, where is the argument? Good for the Israelis.

[theHotHead]

Just reading that Britain's armed forces has played its part in supporting Israel in the latest Iran attacks.

They say Israel has a right to defend itself.

Why the f**k are we getting involved? Let Israel defend itself, had they not bombed the living f**k out of Lebanon and killed so many civilians Iran wouldn't have gotten involved. Starmer and co saying they stand fully behind Israel, how about standing fully behind the innocent Palestinians being murdered daily !!

[UFGN]

Just reading that Britain's armed forces has played its part in supporting Israel in the latest Iran attacks.

They say Israel has a right to defend itself.

Why the f**k are we getting involved? Let Israel defend itself, had they not bombed the living f**k out of Lebanon and killed so many civilians Iran wouldn't have gotten involved. Starmer and co saying they stand fully behind Israel, how about standing fully behind the innocent Palestinians being murdered daily !!

If Hezbollah hadn't been firing rockets into Israel and threatening to do more, then Israel wouldn't have attacked Lebanon

What business is it of Hezbollah to be doing that? Why would Israel not retaliate? Any other country would respond if it was being attacked with rockets.

[theHotHead]

Because Israel have bombed the f**k out of Lebanon since the Hamas atrocity, they have been criticised from all quarters for their excessive retaliation, thats why Hezbollah got involved.

I think you said it before, if Israel put down their weapons they will still be attacked because Hamas want them gone, but I don't agree with that. There is zero chance of peace while Israel continue to murder innocent people, there is a bigger chance of peace when Hamas are being the aggressors.

Lets not forget, the Palestinians get supported by the neutrals because they are seen as being hard done by, its far easier for that sympathy to disappear when the Palestinians are the ones being aggressors, the marginals will not support them and without support they are f***ked.

Israel went too far with their retaliation, its created a swell of support for the Palestinians. Without the marches and condemnation of Israel Hamas have no real justification for attacking Israel. Yes, there are of course major issues that would still need to be resolved but at least dialogue can be started in good faith, its impossible when people are being bombed to f**k !

[UFGN]

Because Israel have bombed the f**k out of Lebanon since the Hamas atrocity, they have been criticised from all quarters for their excessive retaliation, thats why Hezbollah got involved.

I think you said it before, if Israel put down their weapons they will still be attacked because Hamas want them gone, but I don't agree with that. There is zero chance of peace while Israel continue to murder innocent people, there is a bigger chance of peace when Hamas are being the aggressors.

Lets not forget, the Palestinians get supported by the neutrals because they are seen as being hard done by, its far easier for that sympathy to disappear when the Palestinians are the ones being aggressors, the marginals will not support them and without support they are f***ked.

Israel went too far with their retaliation, its created a swell of support for the Palestinians. Without the marches and condemnation of Israel Hamas have no real justification for attacking Israel. Yes, there are of course major issues that would still need to be resolved but at least dialogue can be started in good faith, its impossible when people are being bombed to f**k !

That’s patently untrue. Hamas have IN THEIR CONSTITUTION that they want to wipe out Israel and expel all Jews from the region. That’s a fact. Maybe inconvenient, but it’s true. Israel get criticised for Zionism but nobody bats an eyelid at Hamas’ stated constitutional aims to expel all Jews, and help create a WORLDWIDE Islamic caliphate. Israel want the world’s only Jewish state, an area the size of Wales, and Hamas want to help take over the world, but Israel are the baddies right?

What would you have Israel do? I agree btw that they have gone too far, and that BN’s government are a bunch of c****. But replace the Israeli government and you solve that problem. You’re still stuck with Israel’s enemies trying to murder it’s civilians with rockets every single day.

f**k Hamas, and f**k Hezbollah.

[theHotHead]

It doesn't matter what they have in their constitution, the fact remains there have been quiet periods when not even Hamas could be arsed to do anything of note. There are good years and bad years, the good years have Israeli deaths down to single figures - thats not the sign of a regime hell bent on wiping Israel off the map ! Since 2010 there have been 4 such years. Actions always speak louder than words.

Hamas need support of the of the Palestinian people, by all accounts they are fed up of the deaths. If you want to get Hamas around the negotiating table you have to stop bombing Palestinians first

[UFGN]

It doesn't matter what they have in their constitution, the fact remains there have been quiet periods when not even Hamas could be arsed to do anything of note. There are good years and bad years, the good years have Israeli deaths down to single figures - thats not the sign of a regime hell bent on wiping Israel off the map ! Since 2010 there have been 4 such years. Actions always speak louder than words.

Hamas need support of the of the Palestinian people, by all accounts they are fed up of the deaths. If you want to get Hamas around the negotiating table you have to stop bombing Palestinians first

It does matter because it proves beyond doubt that Hamas are nothing but genocidal murdering scum to their very core. On a random Tuesday their stated aim is the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel, and the setting up of a worldwide caliphate.

Israel have a point when they say different standards are expected of them compared to other countries, don’t they? You’re proving it here. Here they are, faced with an enemy that wishes to destroy them and fires rockets at them every day, an enemy which launched an atrocity of murder, rape and kidnap on them, and here you are explaining that the onus is on them to broker the peace. On a good day / week / month when hardly any Israelis are killed or injured, that’s because Israel have a multi billion pound anti-rocket system, not because rockets were not fired.

Hamas are dictators who have failed to hold elections for 18 years and murder political opponents. They probably already don’t have the support of the Palestinian people and they almost certainly don’t give a f**k.

[theHotHead]

I would hold ANY country to the same standards, not sure what you are taking about. Let me flip it back on you.

Ukraine/Russia, Russia are the aggressor (Hamas), Ukraine have the right to defend themselves (Israel), Ukraine have the backing of the West generally speaking and have been provided with weapons to defend themselves. Israel are allowed to blow the f**k out of Palestine but the Ukrainians are told not to attack the Russian mainland, they are told not to use the weapons they were given to defend themselves on the Russian mainland.

Double f***ing standards or what ?!

[theHotHead]

This Prime Minister killed it, I could imagine that being my mum chastising me the way she chastised BN !!!

[UFGN]

I would hold ANY country to the same standards, not sure what you are taking about. Let me flip it back on you.

Ukraine/Russia, Russia are the aggressor (Hamas), Ukraine have the right to defend themselves (Israel), Ukraine have the backing of the West generally speaking and have been provided with weapons to defend themselves. Israel are allowed to blow the f**k out of Palestine but the Ukrainians are told not to attack the Russian mainland, they are told not to use the weapons they were given to defend themselves on the Russian mainland.

Double f***ing standards or what ?!

Because one is nuke armed Russia and the other is not. The West would love to tell Ukraine to have at it with the weapons but there is the issue of IBMs to consider

Just as Israel are being warned about their conduct with Iran. It’s not because the West like Iran is it?

[theHotHead]

And what ??? Shows the pussyhole-ness of the West !!

Scared of what Putin might do they let him get away with murder literally, but the countries they can bully they put their boots firmly on their necks !!

Pussyholes !

If its wrong for one it should be wrong for the other, thats the clear definition of hypocrisy and double standards.