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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:28 am

theHotHead wrote:
Jedi wrote:Stupid questions? If we're discussing a supreme court ruling, how is it a stupid question to ask you if you've actually read the ruling?

If I was to start quoting George Orwell's 1984, is it not reasonable for you to enquire if I actually read the book?

Or even if we're discussing football, is there not a clear difference between someone who watched the game and someone who watched Gary Neville or some other pundit give their opinion on the game afterwards?

I simply want to know if you went to the primary source of the information or if you've had someone explain it to you, whether it's via a Twitter thread, a YouTube video, or a cable network.

This is the simplest, easiest "yes or no" question ever. I have no idea why you're so hung up on not answering it and wasting our time. Did you read the Supreme Court ruling or not?

What, do you mean this ?!!!

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf

Have you read the 119 pages yourself ?!


He either did not, or did not even remotely understand it - because no one could read it, understand it and then come up with a view that a President has 'carte blanche' to go after his political enemies.

The irony of course is that the only administration going after their political enemies, including their direct rival in an upcoming Presidential election, are the current Democrats. It's precisely why the Supreme Court had to act - to put a check on political lawfare. It's an example of the US system of 3 branches and separation of powers working very well.
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Re: American Politics

Postby theHotHead » Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:07 pm

The "Syllabus" calls that out quite clearly Jay, it categorically states as early as page 8 that:

(e) This case poses a question of lasting significance: When may a
former President be prosecuted for official acts taken during his Presidency? In answering that question, unlike the political branches and
the public at large, the Court cannot afford to fixate exclusively, or
even primarily, on present exigencies. Enduring separation of powers
principles guide our decision in this case. The President enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts, and not everything the President does is
official. The President is not above the law


So no, the president does not have carte blanche to do whatever he wants. Precedence is set in law from decades ago, the Supreme court argued:

If the President claims authority to act but in fact exercises mere “individual will” and “authority without law,”
the courts may say so. Youngstown, 343 U. S., at 655 (Jackson, J., concurring). In Youngstown, for instance, we held
that President Truman exceeded his constitutional authority when he seized most of the Nation’s steel mills. See id.,
at 582–589 (majority opinion). But once it is determined
that the President acted within the scope of his exclusive
authority, his discretion in exercising such authority cannot
be subject to further judicial examination.


So the Democrats and Trump's enemies are crying over a legislation that frankly states common sense. I like the ay the document shows the overall opinion of the court and then the views of the judges that concurred and those that dissented.

Of 9 Supreme court judges, 6 ruled in favour of the court ruling, thats a significant majority.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:54 pm

theHotHead wrote:The "Syllabus" calls that out quite clearly Jay, it categorically states as early as page 8 that:

(e) This case poses a question of lasting significance: When may a
former President be prosecuted for official acts taken during his Presidency? In answering that question, unlike the political branches and
the public at large, the Court cannot afford to fixate exclusively, or
even primarily, on present exigencies. Enduring separation of powers
principles guide our decision in this case. The President enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts, and not everything the President does is
official. The President is not above the law


So no, the president does not have carte blanche to do whatever he wants. Precedence is set in law from decades ago, the Supreme court argued:

If the President claims authority to act but in fact exercises mere “individual will” and “authority without law,”
the courts may say so. Youngstown, 343 U. S., at 655 (Jackson, J., concurring). In Youngstown, for instance, we held
that President Truman exceeded his constitutional authority when he seized most of the Nation’s steel mills. See id.,
at 582–589 (majority opinion). But once it is determined
that the President acted within the scope of his exclusive
authority, his discretion in exercising such authority cannot
be subject to further judicial examination.


So the Democrats and Trump's enemies are crying over a legislation that frankly states common sense. I like the ay the document shows the overall opinion of the court and then the views of the judges that concurred and those that dissented.

Of 9 Supreme court judges, 6 ruled in favour of the court ruling, thats a significant majority.


Its all fairly simple.
A President decades ago was ruled to be immune from even civil cases for official acts - i.e. you can't have people suing the President for what he does.
Up until now no party has ever been so flagrant in their misuse of the judicial system as the Democrats have been, so the latest ruling just adds criminal indictment immunity to the official record - as is plain common sense.

For ANY act whilst in office it hs to be presumed to be official and the prosecutor has to prove it was not - again sensible. It means that political parties can no longer just indict flagrantly for political purposes.

The key thing is that the President has no immunity at all for unofficial acts if they are deemed to be so.

All of this makes so much sense it's crazy that the Democrats have been so corrupt that it even needed the SC to step in.
If Presidents were NOT immune for official acts then every one of them would end up in jail as soon as they left office.

One other important part of the document is the opinion from Justice Thomas, where he comments on the legality of Jack Smith's role - the special counsel going after Trump

“If there is no law establishing the office that the Special Counsel occupies, then he cannot proceed with this prosecution,” Thomas wrote. “A private citizen cannot criminally prosecute anyone, let alone a former President.”


Smith was not appointed legally - the appointment clause in the Constitution makes it clear that any appointments need the approval of Congress - and it has been interpreted by the Supreme Court already to classify that as 'principal officers' in the Executive Branch. A Special Counsel is a principal officer. Jack Smith has no standing. Now this was just an opinion by one SC Justice and not a ruling (the ruling has already been made previously - but it opens the door for the judge in Florida to throw out the documents case as Smith did not have the authority to bring it.
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Re: American Politics

Postby theHotHead » Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:35 pm

Where is Jedi?? Got his head buried in the ruling, cooking up an almighty response no doubt lol
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:36 pm

theHotHead wrote:Where is Jedi?? Got his head buried in the ruling, cooking up an almighty response no doubt lol



There is no response.
The SC ruling is entirely sensible and does not give a President carte blanche to go after his political enemies as was claimed.
In fact, the ruling LIMITS Trump's abilities to go after Biden.
It was made to reign in the judicial corruption that the Democrats have undertaken to go after Trump.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:40 pm

Biden is tanking in the polls since the debate.
He's still saying he is going to run
Expect left wing media propaganda to go into overdrive in the coming weeks/months leading up to the election.
I think that and another voter fraud operation will be the Democrats only hope.
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Re: American Politics

Postby theHotHead » Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:33 pm

Biden wants to continue, his backers want him to step down, they are in a proper mess !!!
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Re: American Politics

Postby Jedi » Thu Jul 11, 2024 6:58 pm

jayramfootball wrote:Biden is tanking in the polls since the debate.
He's still saying he is going to run
Expect left wing media propaganda to go into overdrive in the coming weeks/months leading up to the election.
I think that and another voter fraud operation will be the Democrats only hope.

The left wing media is already in overdrive applying maximum pressure and trying to completely tank Biden's campaign, which completely shatters your worldview.

One NBC report claiming that Biden campaign is "quietly assessing" Kamala Harris' candidacy viability against Trump. This is the first real sign of cracks inside the Biden camp.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jul 11, 2024 7:07 pm

Jedi wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:Biden is tanking in the polls since the debate.
He's still saying he is going to run
Expect left wing media propaganda to go into overdrive in the coming weeks/months leading up to the election.
I think that and another voter fraud operation will be the Democrats only hope.

The left wing media is already in overdrive applying maximum pressure and trying to completely tank Biden's campaign, which completely shatters your worldview.

One NBC report claiming that Biden campaign is "quietly assessing" Kamala Harris' candidacy viability against Trump. This is the first real sign of cracks inside the Biden camp.



Lol, you don't do yourself any favours when you talk about things like 'world view'.
We're not all one-sided political partisans like you.

Democrats are panicking.
Personally, this is not news about Biden. Literally everyone with a brain knew well he was incompetent.
The signs have been there for years but the damn broke when he got humiliated in the debate he and his team set all the rules for.
Not even the totally bias left wing media are running cover for him anymore.
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Re: American Politics

Postby theHotHead » Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:34 am

Yup, sometimes some things are so bad/obvious you would have to be a total buffoon to come out in support of it.
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Re: American Politics

Postby theHotHead » Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:43 am

My feeling here is, if American's vote for Biden they cannot be doing it for the betterment of America they are doing it because they don't like Trump which to me is a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face !!

Perhaps Biden is supposed to be a puppet president, a presidential proxy if you will, but then is it wise for Americans to vote for a president who is not in control, one who does not make his own decisions ? Because this imbecile couldn't run an Eat As Many Sausages As You Like competition

In his defence, the guy is 80 freekin years old, anyone that votes to him is an idiot FFS
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Re: American Politics

Postby Nuggets » Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:47 am

It makes you think doesn't it, the size of the USA and they come up with sleepy Joe and the crim Trump for president. But the same could be said about the state of the UK.
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Re: American Politics

Postby 22-0 » Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:57 am

Biden just called the president of Ukraine Putin straight to his face. Also said Trump was his VP.... his brain is falling apart.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Rockape » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:27 pm

It’s all rather sad seeing this played out in front of the world. He cannot possibly be the democrat option.
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Re: American Politics

Postby VCC » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:51 pm

Rockape wrote:It’s all rather sad seeing this played out in front of the world. He cannot possibly be the democrat option.

Why not he hasn't been able to make a decision for years probably his whole presidency.
America is a joke as is world politics
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