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Also the cops there many of them are black... people are so obsessed with race in America and the UK its insane.

[Jedi]

LET'S FVCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

TANKIES AND FASCISTS HOLD THIS L

[theHotHead]

Also the cops there many of them are black... people are so obsessed with race in America and the UK its insane.

Yes very true, but I got somehitng for that ?! NWA track, f**k Da Police, Ice Cube says "black policemen showing out for the white cops"

f***ing power trips the lot of them. Don't get me wrong, we have the same foolishness here in the UK too, but motherfuckers are not walking around with guns, so the most that will happen is an ass whooping.

[theHotHead]

Who gives a shit, I'm bored of the Ukraine war now.

Tell me something what is the point of this war ? Russia bombs major cities and kill innocent people, in retaliation Ukraine blows up some useless place with no civilian casualties. How is that sufficient retaliation ? What is the point of that retaliation ?

Ukraine gets hit hard and in retaliation does the equivalent of saying "owwww stop it" in their most mincing-est voice !!!

[jayramfootball]

Who gives a shit, I'm bored of the Ukraine war now.

Tell me something what is the point of this war ? Russia bombs major cities and kill innocent people, in retaliation Ukraine blows up some useless place with no civilian casualties. How is that sufficient retaliation ? What is the point of that retaliation ?

Ukraine gets hit hard and in retaliation does the equivalent of saying "owwww stop it" in their most mincing-est voice !!!

We heard that Russia was losing - then Zelensky came out and said Ukraine were going to be defeated without billions more cash.
Doesn't make sense
For all the billions in money and arms given to Ukraine they were on the brink of defeat?
Got to wonder how many of those billions are ending up in the pockets of individuals.

[Jedi]

Who gives a shit, I'm bored of the Ukraine war now.

Tell me something what is the point of this war ? Russia bombs major cities and kill innocent people, in retaliation Ukraine blows up some useless place with no civilian casualties. How is that sufficient retaliation ? What is the point of that retaliation ?

Ukraine gets hit hard and in retaliation does the equivalent of saying "owwww stop it" in their most mincing-est voice !!!

So you want Ukraine to commit war crimes? That's definitely a unique take, I guess.

We heard that Russia was losing - then Zelensky came out and said Ukraine were going to be defeated without billions more cash.
Doesn't make sense
For all the billions in money and arms given to Ukraine they were on the brink of defeat?
Got to wonder how many of those billions are ending up in the pockets of individuals.

Imagine Hitler invading Poland and then two years later the entire German state is focused on the war effort and they're still barely making any advances and Poland is holding strong.

That's essentially what we have now with Ukraine. And no matter how many BUCKETS OF PUTIN's CUM are swallowed by his sympathizers who try to spin the story in any different way, history will remember this period as a period of total Russian humiliation and nothing more.

February 24, 2022: "WE'RE TAKING KIEV IN 3 DAYS COMRADES!"

February 24, 2024: "Heh, we didn't 'lose' after invading a country that we have a 10:1 military budget advantage over. Get owned Western cucks."

Oh, how the tables have turned.

[jayramfootball]

Who gives a shit, I'm bored of the Ukraine war now.

Tell me something what is the point of this war ? Russia bombs major cities and kill innocent people, in retaliation Ukraine blows up some useless place with no civilian casualties. How is that sufficient retaliation ? What is the point of that retaliation ?

Ukraine gets hit hard and in retaliation does the equivalent of saying "owwww stop it" in their most mincing-est voice !!!

So you want Ukraine to commit war crimes? That's definitely a unique take, I guess.

We heard that Russia was losing - then Zelensky came out and said Ukraine were going to be defeated without billions more cash.
Doesn't make sense
For all the billions in money and arms given to Ukraine they were on the brink of defeat?
Got to wonder how many of those billions are ending up in the pockets of individuals.

Imagine Hitler invading Poland and then two years later the entire German state is focused on the war effort and they're still barely making any advances and Poland is holding strong.

That's essentially what we have now with Ukraine. And no matter how many BUCKETS OF PUTIN's CUM are swallowed by his sympathizers who try to spin the story in any different way, history will remember this period as a period of total Russian humiliation and nothing more.

February 24, 2022: "WE'RE TAKING KIEV IN 3 DAYS COMRADES!"

February 24, 2024: "Heh, we didn't 'lose' after going to war with a country that we have a 10:1 military budget advantage over. Get owned Western cucks."

Oh, how the tables have turned.

Jedi
The Western media told us Russia was losing.
Zelensky literally just said Russia will win without billions more cash - urgently.
Sounds like is the last throw of the dice for Ukraine TBH, no?
What happens when this latest $60bn runs out and they are still on the brink of losing?

[Jedi]

I don't know what Western media you're reading/watching, I've almost never heard anyone say Russia is losing, fullstop. It's only been mentioned in very specific ways—losing individual battles, failing in their military objectives, their offensive grinding to a halt, getting stuck in a quagmire... etc... and all of this did happen.

The only thing that was overhyped was the Ukranian counter-offensive and that was a complete failure, but even then, I don't think anybody expected a total Ukranian victory.

If by losing, you mean the total collapse of the Russian state or Ukraine recovering every inch of its territory, who the fvck ever said that was imminent at any point during this war? I've never seen it happen.

Zelensky literally just said Russia will win without billions more cash - urgently.
Sounds like is the last throw of the dice for Ukraine TBH, no?

It's his job to get more aid and get continued Western support in the war effort. Ukraine is in serious trouble because of the weakness of the Republican party, particularly in the House, and their failure to push through a new military aid bill for so long.

I don't think anyone expected the Republicans to be this feckless.

What happens when this latest $60bn runs out and they are still on the brink of losing?

You send more aid. Send more advanced weapons. NATO countries should be sending everything they can afford to send. European nations in particular should be doing their utmost to transition into full on war economies because that's what's on the table anyway if Russia is allowed to win in Ukraine.

I say "allowed" because that's the only way they could get a military victory there. Through Western inaction.

As philosopher Slavoj Zizek put it:

It is clear that It's not just Ukraine. It's clear that it began with Georgia, Crimea, Moldova and so on... Russia is, they openly say it, It's in an imperial expansionist stage and the longer we tolerate it, the more horrible will be the final confrontation.

...They have a full return to religious fundamentalism. They portray the war in Ukraine as the war of Christian civilization against demonic Satanism. No less than [some] Arabs, they are today, in the worst sense, fanatical religious fundamentalists. They have to be stopped unconditionally.

The West has to stop this ambiguous game of trying to support Ukraine, but "not too much" so that we will not annoy Russia too much, and so that we will not hurt our standard of living. No, [Europe] is in an emergency state.

[theHotHead]

Who gives a shit, I'm bored of the Ukraine war now.

Tell me something what is the point of this war ? Russia bombs major cities and kill innocent people, in retaliation Ukraine blows up some useless place with no civilian casualties. How is that sufficient retaliation ? What is the point of that retaliation ?

Ukraine gets hit hard and in retaliation does the equivalent of saying "owwww stop it" in their most mincing-est voice !!!

So you want Ukraine to commit war crimes? That's definitely a unique take, I guess.

Are Russia committing war crimes ? Is this a fair war ? does anyone go to war with the thought of fighting fairly ? Of course you don't, you fight to win wihen lives are at stake.

Retaliation needs to make sense. If they have blown up a theater you blow up 2 bloody theaters to let them know that you aint having that shit ! If you retaliation is pathetic whats the point of retaliating ?!!! Retaliation is supposed to be a deterrent or punishment, its not supposed to be nice or civil !!

[theHotHead]

Who gives a shit, I'm bored of the Ukraine war now.

Tell me something what is the point of this war ? Russia bombs major cities and kill innocent people, in retaliation Ukraine blows up some useless place with no civilian casualties. How is that sufficient retaliation ? What is the point of that retaliation ?

Ukraine gets hit hard and in retaliation does the equivalent of saying "owwww stop it" in their most mincing-est voice !!!

So you want Ukraine to commit war crimes? That's definitely a unique take, I guess.

We heard that Russia was losing - then Zelensky came out and said Ukraine were going to be defeated without billions more cash.
Doesn't make sense
For all the billions in money and arms given to Ukraine they were on the brink of defeat?
Got to wonder how many of those billions are ending up in the pockets of individuals.

Imagine Hitler invading Poland and then two years later the entire German state is focused on the war effort and they're still barely making any advances and Poland is holding strong.

That's essentially what we have now with Ukraine. And no matter how many BUCKETS OF PUTIN's CUM are swallowed by his sympathizers who try to spin the story in any different way, history will remember this period as a period of total Russian humiliation and nothing more.

February 24, 2022: "WE'RE TAKING KIEV IN 3 DAYS COMRADES!"

February 24, 2024: "Heh, we didn't 'lose' after invading a country that we have a 10:1 military budget advantage over. Get owned Western cucks."

Oh, how the tables have turned.

Jedi its clear Russia have no goal of taking Ukraine, they want to give the West a bloody nose - whcih they are doing by frustrating Ukraine and the West. this will drag on for years, Russia won't take any more ground. Ukraine won't push Russia back. The West will pour billions in aid and weapons into Ukraine which at this point will not change the status Quo.

So how on earth is this humilation for Russia ? Russia have EXACTLY what they want and the West are losing/wasting billions supporting /ukraine in a war they (the West) don't want to be seen as inflaming too much. Trickle feeding Ukraine won't put them in a position to defeat Russia and Russia will continue to get given weapons from their allies if money becomes an issue. Its a stalemate.

[theHotHead]

I don't know what Western media you're reading/watching, I've almost never heard anyone say Russia is losing, fullstop. It's only been mentioned in very specific ways—losing individual battles, failing in their military objectives, their offensive grinding to a halt, getting stuck in a quagmire... etc... and all of this did happen.

The only thing that was overhyped was the Ukranian counter-offensive and that was a complete failure, but even then, I don't think anybody expected a total Ukranian victory.

You said above that nobody said Russia are losing but then you claim this period is total humiliation for Russia. How so ? Total humiliation in a war context suggests they are losing. If you are going to use the scenario that Russia has 10 times the military might and resources than Ukraine, thats a false narrative because it infers Russia wanted to take Ukraine. Nope, they only wanted bits of Ukraine that they have already taken and if you think for one sec that this is Russia earnestly trying to take Ukraine you are misguided. We see it, when Russia want to turn up the heat they do so at will, bombing Ukraine's capital city and doing real damage. Meanwhile attempts by Ukraine to attack Moscow are ..... laughable

At this point its like a lion cub toying with a mouse, at any point they can bomb the f**k out of Ukraine if they so desired and there is nothing Ukraine can do about it.

[Jedi]

theHotHead, there is no way to say this without sounding extremely condescending, but I just think you are extremely ignorant on this topic to the point where I don't want to discuss it with you.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, I have nothing against you personally but I just have no desire to reply to your posts because they make zero sense to me and there's not enough common ground to even have a back and forth.

[theHotHead]

Your problem is you like to make things more complicated than they are. I live in the real world, I challenged your post and all you can come back with is it makes no sense. Really ? Thats your response ? I made my position quite clear, there is nothing complicated about it, I asked you specificall to explain how Russia have been totally humiliated, surely that shoudn't be difficult for you to respond to ?!!

We don't need to have common ground to have a discussion, we can be on opposite sides of the fence and thats fine. My situation is clear:

Russia have reached their objective(s)
The West trickle feeding Ukraine money won't help them win the war
Russia have no desire to take over Ukraine
Russia can bomb mainland Ukraine to f**k any time they choose to and there is nothing Uraine can do to stop them.

No, it doesn't mean Russia are unstoppable, but they can only be stopped by the West getting involved in a far more significant manner.

FFS, you even posted a quote from a philospher that that agrees with one of my main points - but here you are saying I am not making any sense LOL

The West has to stop this ambiguous game of trying to support Ukraine, but "not too much" so that we will not annoy Russia too much, and so that we will not hurt our standard of living. No, [Europe] is in an emergency state.

[theHotHead]

And then there is the question I asked about retaliation, how on earth can you say my post makes no sense ??? what is the purpose of retailiatin in your opinion ?

[UFGN]

Hothead

Russia have got at least 50,000 dead soldiers, the West have found out about them militarily, Putin has faced internal descent like never before, and he's got more internal and external enemies than ever before.

Add to that that after all this, they don't look scary anymore. After decades of people, including Western governments, treating them as a military superpower, they look like a bunch of second or third rate have-a-goes with some nukes. They've exposed themselves as a jumped-up Pakistan.

And for what?

It might not be going how the West would like, but to spin the shitshow that's happened as positive for Russia is just special, frankly.