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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:42 am

UFGN wrote:Guns don't kill people, people kill people? CHECK

It's the breakdown of society? CHECK

The far left in America.... Even though socialist policies have never had a fair crack of the whip in America? CHECK

Criminals are the problem not guns..... even though mass shootings are often carried out by people with no criminal record or minor criminal record? CHECK


Blimey a sensible post (well apart from the last line) over 70% of gun deaths in the US are caused by people with known criminal records - for all the lurid headlines mass shootings are less than 1% of US murders - horrendous sure, but a symptom not a cause.

If you agree with all those points how do you square that with incessantly blaming the GOP?

The GOP have a million faults however being soft on criminals is not one of them .... correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't "Defund The Police" a Dem thing? Ending "Remand without Bail" a Dem thing? Giving a "Free Pass" for undocumented individuals a Dem thing? Removing marriage benefits as it was unfair to single parents a Dem thing?

The breaking down of established order and structure because it 'upsets' those looking to be upset ... has sadly been at the very centre of Dem policies for years.

The GoP have a share of blame as well - electing Trump being the main one - but it's a reasonable argument to say there would have been no Trump if the voters hadn't felt they were (correctly as it turned out) that they were handing over their country to woke insanity.

All that is now playing out in the collapse of the US civil system, both Right and Left, there are no winners, there is plenty of blame to go around.
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Re: American Politics

Postby UFGN » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:29 am

EliteKiller wrote:
UFGN wrote:Guns don't kill people, people kill people? CHECK

It's the breakdown of society? CHECK

The far left in America.... Even though socialist policies have never had a fair crack of the whip in America? CHECK

Criminals are the problem not guns..... even though mass shootings are often carried out by people with no criminal record or minor criminal record? CHECK


Blimey a sensible post (well apart from the last line) over 70% of gun deaths in the US are caused by people with known criminal records - for all the lurid headlines mass shootings are less than 1% of US murders - horrendous sure, but a symptom not a cause.

If you agree with all those points how do you square that with incessantly blaming the GOP?

The GOP have a million faults however being soft on criminals is not one of them .... correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't "Defund The Police" a Dem thing? Ending "Remand without Bail" a Dem thing? Giving a "Free Pass" for undocumented individuals a Dem thing? Removing marriage benefits as it was unfair to single parents a Dem thing?

The breaking down of established order and structure because it 'upsets' those looking to be upset ... has sadly been at the very centre of Dem policies for years.

The GoP have a share of blame as well - electing Trump being the main one - but it's a reasonable argument to say there would have been no Trump if the voters hadn't felt they were (correctly as it turned out) that they were handing over their country to woke insanity.

All that is now playing out in the collapse of the US civil system, both Right and Left, there are no winners, there is plenty of blame to go around.


I was taking the piss son.

That's why you shouldn't have clipped out the first line from the quote. You have dreadful perception.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:09 pm

UFGN wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
UFGN wrote:Guns don't kill people, people kill people? CHECK

It's the breakdown of society? CHECK

The far left in America.... Even though socialist policies have never had a fair crack of the whip in America? CHECK

Criminals are the problem not guns..... even though mass shootings are often carried out by people with no criminal record or minor criminal record? CHECK


Blimey a sensible post (well apart from the last line) over 70% of gun deaths in the US are caused by people with known criminal records - for all the lurid headlines mass shootings are less than 1% of US murders - horrendous sure, but a symptom not a cause.

If you agree with all those points how do you square that with incessantly blaming the GOP?

The GOP have a million faults however being soft on criminals is not one of them .... correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't "Defund The Police" a Dem thing? Ending "Remand without Bail" a Dem thing? Giving a "Free Pass" for undocumented individuals a Dem thing? Removing marriage benefits as it was unfair to single parents a Dem thing?

The breaking down of established order and structure because it 'upsets' those looking to be upset ... has sadly been at the very centre of Dem policies for years.

The GoP have a share of blame as well - electing Trump being the main one - but it's a reasonable argument to say there would have been no Trump if the voters hadn't felt they were (correctly as it turned out) that they were handing over their country to woke insanity.

All that is now playing out in the collapse of the US civil system, both Right and Left, there are no winners, there is plenty of blame to go around.


I was taking the piss son.

That's why you shouldn't have clipped out the first line from the quote. You have dreadful perception.


Thanks mum -

Should have know that a sensible post was in fact your idea of taking the piss - worth repeating you just cant fix stupid. :BangHead: :BangHead:
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:17 pm

VCC wrote:Simply LOL
Exactly why America will never have any huge gun reform.
Never ever been a wife shoot her cheating husband or vice verse, ultimately does that make them a criminal i would think so , but incredible statistics that voters do not commit such crime. Amazes me that gun crime comes only from left sided politics simply wow.
By the way every car wreck has a person at fault operating outside of the law in some way for the most part maybe criminals only cause accidents?.
Anyways America economy relies on conflict be that at home or somewhere manufactured in the world, weapons in America and their sales all around the globe including to people they then fight against will not change in the near or distant future.



There is a difference between military equipment sales and private gun ownership. Your point about sales and now simply handing out missile systems to Ukraine is more about taxpayer money being laundered to politicians than fighting for democracy. It is an industry that China, N Korea, Pakistan, Russia, the US, UK, the EU all engage in.

As for private gun ownership, were most NZ gun owners willing to hand them in or was there a huge penalty involved as is making them the criminals? Your point also underscores and defeats these arguments made by the left that all guns need to be banned so that criminals don't have access to them...except that they always do. They don't much care that fully automatic Uzzis etc are flooding into every country to fill the supply demand by the gangs. Here in the US, these fully automatic weapons are being brought in across the open border, but that is not a concern for the so called anti gun lobby.

The two sides of this, government sales and private ownership (and banning of guns) are related in that tyrants first need to get guns away from their subjects as has happened in so many cases, from Nazi Germany to Australia to the efforts in the US.

Then we have the ignorant left trying to make it a racial issue...as in white gun owners are afraid that blacks will start buying guns. Hmmm.

https://www.newsweek.com/joy-behar-gun- ... ng-1714196

"The most recent data provided by the National Firearms Survey published in July 2021 show that demographically gun ownership is pretty diverse, with 25.4 percent of firearms owned by Black people, 28.3 percent owned by Hispanics, 19.4 percent owned by Asians and the majority, 34.3 percent, owned by White people."

So given white people only own 34.3% of guns, that makes the minority groups the majority of legal gun owners. Given there are no stats on illegal gun ownership, yet the vast majority of gun crime is in urban areas we can only assume that that % is far greater.

"Another survey from the same year by the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) investigating gun ownership in the country found that at least 5.4 million people purchased a firearm for the first time in 2021."


Yup. More pro gun voters created by soft on crime liberals.

"Some 44 percent of retailers said they saw an increase in Black people purchasing firearms in that year, adding up to what the NSSF said was already a 58 percent increase in gun ownership among Black Americans from 2019 to 2020."

Due to crime and lack of policing, people no matter their race will defend themselves and their families. So yes Ms Behar, you and your condescending ilk claim the gun laws will change when "blacks get guns". Which makes the Dems the racists given her ridiculous point was that whites would want to stop legal guns in minority hands. These are the ignorant beliefs that are easily dispelled when the surface is scratched and the truth exposed.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:28 pm

CNN is in the middle of a "go woke go broke" reformation. They are under new ownership and have declared that they are replacing the rabid partisan coverage with a "balanced" news agenda. Funnily enough their analysts and pundits have changed their tune in a matter of days.

Given the likes of Tim Pool get ten times the traffic they do on a daily basis they had to do something. FFS, Pool had 40,000 viewers watching his empty studio for three hours during the latest SWATing/bomb scare. Legacy media is dying as the search for truth expands.
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Re: American Politics

Postby VCC » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:34 pm

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:
VCC wrote:Simply LOL
Exactly why America will never have any huge gun reform.
Never ever been a wife shoot her cheating husband or vice verse, ultimately does that make them a criminal i would think so , but incredible statistics that voters do not commit such crime. Amazes me that gun crime comes only from left sided politics simply wow.
By the way every car wreck has a person at fault operating outside of the law in some way for the most part maybe criminals only cause accidents?.
Anyways America economy relies on conflict be that at home or somewhere manufactured in the world, weapons in America and their sales all around the globe including to people they then fight against will not change in the near or distant future.



There is a difference between military equipment sales and private gun ownership. Your point about sales and now simply handing out missile systems to Ukraine is more about taxpayer money being laundered to politicians than fighting for democracy. It is an industry that China, N Korea, Pakistan, Russia, the US, UK, the EU all engage in.

As for private gun ownership, were most NZ gun owners willing to hand them in or was there a huge penalty involved as is making them the criminals? Your point also underscores and defeats these arguments made by the left that all guns need to be banned so that criminals don't have access to them...except that they always do. They don't much care that fully automatic Uzzis etc are flooding into every country to fill the supply demand by the gangs. Here in the US, these fully automatic weapons are being brought in across the open border, but that is not a concern for the so called anti gun lobby.

The two sides of this, government sales and private ownership (and banning of guns) are related in that tyrants first need to get guns away from their subjects as has happened in so many cases, from Nazi Germany to Australia to the efforts in the US.

Then we have the ignorant left trying to make it a racial issue...as in white gun owners are afraid that blacks will start buying guns. Hmmm.

https://www.newsweek.com/joy-behar-gun- ... ng-1714196

"The most recent data provided by the National Firearms Survey published in July 2021 show that demographically gun ownership is pretty diverse, with 25.4 percent of firearms owned by Black people, 28.3 percent owned by Hispanics, 19.4 percent owned by Asians and the majority, 34.3 percent, owned by White people."

So given white people only own 34.3% of guns, that makes the minority groups the majority of legal gun owners. Given there are no stats on illegal gun ownership, yet the vast majority of gun crime is in urban areas we can only assume that that % is far greater.

"Another survey from the same year by the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) investigating gun ownership in the country found that at least 5.4 million people purchased a firearm for the first time in 2021."


Yup. More pro gun voters created by soft on crime liberals.

"Some 44 percent of retailers said they saw an increase in Black people purchasing firearms in that year, adding up to what the NSSF said was already a 58 percent increase in gun ownership among Black Americans from 2019 to 2020."

Due to crime and lack of policing, people no matter their race will defend themselves and their families. So yes Ms Behar, you and your condescending ilk claim the gun laws will change when "blacks get guns". Which makes the Dems the racists given her ridiculous point was that whites would want to stop legal guns in minority hands. These are the ignorant beliefs that are easily dispelled when the surface is scratched and the truth exposed.

Accept most of that Priss but i will point out military arms make their way to criminal hands also, i am talking illegal sales.
Gun reform has not worked in NZ and it wont work anywhere unless force is used, and in the case of somewhere like the USA the civil unrest caused by such a move equates to political suicide, and if that govt was to survive that and stay in power the civil unrest would be very interesting,
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:25 pm

No doubt they do. That is exactly what I was referring to about actual automatic weapons finding the way across our border and also into many other countries and into the hands of the gangs.

I seriously doubt if push came to shove the US could find many in law enforcement to make these confiscations. As a republic of states governed by the constitution that specifically addresses tyranny I suspect the nation would split into the sane law abiding parts and the Southern CA, NYC and Seattle would be off on their own. Maybe that is what they want?

I agree the horse has bolted, but not in terms of gun ownership but rather the social decay that liberal policies have wrought which begets the crime in the first place. For that I see no real solution other than things get so bad that even CA voters start to get it. But with our universities, local schools, the elite class and media all espousing these insane views the divide between rational thinking and fantasy is unbridgeable. And that is with the vast majority of people not buying into it.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:42 pm

The day after Biden claims that the US economy has never been stronger, and his press secretary says the same...well, the markets lost 880 points. Last month their line was that the markets support their economic plan. Yellen was asked about inflation and she starts talking about climate change and gender! Finally she was made to admit the obvious, that more money in circulation decreases the value. FFS, every move they make is wrong because every t**t in the administration is a progressive with no real world experience.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:42 am




Yup.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:03 pm

Wonderful news from yesterday though.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:07 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:Wonderful news from yesterday though.


Stange (not really) how violently the left has reacted to states being able to define limits or not on abortion. Every reaction is violent now. Fire bombings, riots, death threats, calls to abolish the Constitution all over the "right" to kill a baby at 8 or 9 months. FFS, no other nation allows such insanity.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:12 pm

The idiots in Congress who thought a Jan 6 commision was a great idea have been totally exposed despite nobody really giving a shit. The hilarious story about Trump choking a SS agent, grabbing the steering wheel all fell apart after some simple logic was applied. The whole "trail" is a sham and everyone knows it.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:52 am

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:The idiots in Congress who thought a Jan 6 commision was a great idea have been totally exposed despite nobody really giving a shit. The hilarious story about Trump choking a SS agent, grabbing the steering wheel all fell apart after some simple logic was applied. The whole "trail" is a sham and everyone knows it.


Superman Trump burst through a bullet proof screen to reach the steering wheel - who knew he had superpowers? Trump is an idiot that no sane country would ever elect, now he has superpowers the USA might do it again .... go figure
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Re: American Politics

Postby 22-0 » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:19 am

Head of security during jan 6 dies 1 day before testifying regarding fbi/informants involved... but yeah nothing to see there move along folks.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:59 pm

22-0 wrote:Head of security during jan 6 dies 1 day before testifying regarding fbi/informants involved... but yeah nothing to see there move along folks.


CNN was sure to make a point that nothing was suspicious. Same with Epstein and the 46 folks that died by Arkancide.
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