DiamondGooner wrote:LMAO wrote:DiamondGooner wrote:LMAO wrote:DiamondGooner wrote:LMAO wrote:And your country is hardly better when it comes to race and politics. A "free society" but clutch pearls at the sight of players kneeling before kickoff and demand a stop to it as one example.
We don't want politics in sports.
Its that simple, I think that's a perfectly reasonable request.
We had "Kick it out" no issues, not even from Millwall fans, but as soon as they went all BLM that was it.
No more needs to be said.
We're not Americans and we never will be, no matter how much Labour tries to push that BS into our country.
Well, you could've just led with the UK not being a "free thinking political society"
because a free thinking political society would allow and tolerate all kinds of discourse, no matter how uncomfortable.And good, we don't want the UK to be America. As much as we and a lot of the world joke about the UK being our vassal state, we'd rather y'all stay across the pond at arm's length. You have your unique problems, and we have ours.
Are you joking?
Again, you just don't understand the concept, we do ........... we invented it.
You guys hijacked the idea from us and did well with it for a century, but now you've completely fked it.
So to say this once more from the top, we do tolerate all kinds of discourse .............. IN AN ARENA WHERE ITS APPROPRIATE.
Parliament for one, Question Time another, media ect.
Not in a fkin Football game........ sport is not for politics, if anything its a respite.
How is it tolerant for a football organisation to outwardly support a Far Left Wing organisation like BLM and expect Centre or Right leaning folk to not feel excluded or attacked?
That's like the Premier League supporting Brexit, how would that go down with Remainers?
You don't get it because political discourse in America and self awarness of a real free society in America is broken, you've become a nation of extremists and its an ugly sight.
You'd certainly have a point if sports and politics weren't intertwined, but they are, so your post is moot.
They're not intertwined at all.
How wrong can you be ............?
The players can have personal views outside the game and that may introduce a political element but I can still separate the man from the player.
Basically when you become a football or NFL player, you are required shin pads, a ball, the correct outfit and the necessary skills to play the game .......... you are not required in the rule book to declare your political status or interject it and that goes for the leagues as well.
You're so confused, your bringing your personal views into common sense and facts, something I've noticed a lot of Americans doing these days which again, goes back to my point .......... you simply don't understand the fundamental concept of individual freedom and now it seems we can add Sports to that list.
Its the organisational bodies who are "choosing" to introduce politics, it is not a requirement of sports and its not in the rules, so you're wrong.
If Phil is a Trump supporter and you are a Biden supporter, but you both support the Dallas Cowboys .......... when you switch on the TV or go to the game, all you need to know is that by sitting where you are or by the Jersey you're wearing is that you are both Cowboy's fans and that is all that should matter.
Interjecting politics where they don't belong has become the toxic poison of America and is done so because certain parties want it that way, but its causing nothing but division.
If I go to an AFC game Ii don't give a fk whether you vote Labour or Conservative, or you voted Brexit or Remain, for 90mins plus half time, all I care about is that we're AFC fans and we need 3pts and to win, if you want to talk politics meet me at the pub afterward.
political: relating to the government or the public affairs of a country
Seems like you're the one who doesn't understand the meaning of political.
Sports are inherently political. They've been intertwined since the very beginning. Ancient Greek city-states used the Olympics to assert dominance over their neighbors, Roman emperors used the Colosseum to throw lavish games in order to increase their support from the masses, and the Mayans used sports to determine who'd be human sacrifices.
It's continued to the modern day. BoJo saying he'd have the UK government do everything to block the European Super League, the two Koreas entered the 2018 Winter Olympics together under the unification flag, India refuses to play Pakistan in cricket, Russian and Ukrainian football teams aren't allowed to be drawn against each other in European competitions, governments and team owners using taxpayer money to fund stadiums, China throwing a hissy fit over the NBA and Ozil, that Ethiopian marathoner in the Rio Olympics, etc.
Then there's all the rivalries in football that revolve around politics like El Clasico and the Old Firm.
There's also the support for causes. BLM in the NBA, the poppies in the PL, the military in the NFL, the rainbow laces and armband in the PL, the Allianz Arena being lit up in rainbow colors, athletes all over the world taking knees from Kaepernick back in 2016 to the Olympics this year to protest racism, etc.
And there's the English fans singing that ten bomber song against Germany.
That's so much more than just organizational bodies. It's also the fans themselves and the athletes.
If you want to get politics out of sports, then you're going to have to eliminate sports entirely.
And, I understand the concept of individual freedom well enough to know you trying to be the thought-police isn't freedom. Sounds like authoritarianism to me.