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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Sat May 08, 2021 7:23 pm

They'll definitely get no more than two referenda, and as the current polls still show it being very tight the Scottish Nationalists might be wise to wait until they have a better chance.
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Re: British Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Sat May 08, 2021 8:47 pm

Goonerred wrote:Should Scotland be allowed an Indyref?


No.
Unless they want to leave the UK.
If they do, let them.
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Re: British Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Sun May 09, 2021 1:16 am

Goonerred wrote:Should Scotland be allowed an Indyref?


Nobody will want one - Boris wants to keep the union - and the poison dwarf knows that she has little chance of winning a referendum at the moment.

Far better for both sides to keep this stalemate going - Boris can wave his flags - Sturgeon can keep getting UK cash whilst moaning about UK oversight.

The SNP had it's chance and blew it with the first referendum - as Brexit settles in and a post Covid boom drives the economy upwards the time simply isn't right for another referendum, indeed it may never be right again.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Goonerred » Sun May 09, 2021 8:36 am

Watching Sophie Ridge on Sunday. She's had Abbot on, Davey on and some Labour chap from Scotland. They are totally delusional about what happened on Thursday. Abbot thinks Starmer should go back to the popular policies of the 2019 election manifesto, The Scottish bod thinks it was mixed results for Labour, even she was a bit gobsmacked by it all. She put it to an SNP MP that if you look at the one vote per person, more people voted for pro-union than for pro-independence.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Sun May 09, 2021 9:35 am

Starmer is in the great position of being disliked from both inside and outside of his Party.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Sun May 09, 2021 11:11 am

Goonerred wrote:Watching Sophie Ridge on Sunday. She's had Abbot on, Davey on and some Labour chap from Scotland. They are totally delusional about what happened on Thursday. Abbot thinks Starmer should go back to the popular policies of the 2019 election manifesto, The Scottish bod thinks it was mixed results for Labour, even she was a bit gobsmacked by it all. She put it to an SNP MP that if you look at the one vote per person, more people voted for pro-union than for pro-independence.


It's pathetic really. That Scot using the same claim that the Lib Dems made when the Brexit party won the EU elections. (and just like with the Lib Dem one, it's not even true)

Starmer has to stop rubber stamping covid restrictions and make his party anti-lockdown. If he does that and if the government start trying to backslide on the roadmap, people will support him. Alas, he likes being Captain Hindsight too much.
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Re: British Politics

Postby gooney » Sun May 09, 2021 1:03 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/LBC/status/1 ... 9538045957

Brexit mess continue. But I doubt most of brexiters will admit they were duped and right wing media are trying to distract people with Meg markle and Harry lol
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Re: British Politics

Postby Goonerred » Mon May 10, 2021 9:07 am

I'm not bothered if Scotland stay or go. I think this pandemic has shown that they have so much power anyway, might as well go the whole way without them getting a load of UK taxes from the Barnett formula. (The Scots seem to be hailing Sturgeon as the saviour in the pandemic, but they were given several billions of pounds plus the vaccine to help from the UK Government) I don't think they're thinking through the finer details though. I doubt if they'll be able to keep GB currency, which they want to. The 2014 referendum was fought on the back of the oil money, firstly, it's not all theirs, secondly, oil is a fuel of the past, and can reduce significantly in price as seen last year when the pandemic hit. They export about 46% of their goods to England I think, so they are risking that market as well from an economic point of view.

They will want to rejoin the EU, so how will the border work out? They will have to adhere to Schengen and free movement of people and adopt the Euro at some point. They will be in the single currency etc, so they will have to have a border. I think they need to outline very clearly how they intend to carry out Independence if they get the vote and win. They can't keep on just shooting from the heart.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Rockape » Mon May 10, 2021 5:12 pm

]They will want to rejoin the EU, so how will the border work out? They will have to adhere to Schengen and free movement of people and adopt the Euro at some point. They will be in the single currency etc, so they will have to have a border. I think they need to outline very clearly how they intend to carry out Independence if they get the vote and win. They can't keep on just shooting from the heart.


The thing is....we only hear from the noisy minority, the unionists are in the background keeping their heads down. The SNP wouldn't win a referendum at the moment so they don't actually want one, however banging on about it relentlessly keeps them relevant. I think 60% of their trade is with the RUK and as you say a border will cause massive issues and an uplift in costs. Plus the English will almost certainly go out of their way to avoid buying anything from Scotland. A lot of Scottish SME companies will move to the North of England, causing more problems for them.

However, there is this diehard, braveheart section of the population who don't care about any of that, they just want FREEDOM! :dontknow:
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Re: British Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Mon May 10, 2021 8:08 pm

Goonerred wrote:
They will want to rejoin the EU, so how will the border work out? They will have to adhere to Schengen and free movement of people and adopt the Euro at some point. They will be in the single currency etc, so they will have to have a border. I think they need to outline very clearly how they intend to carry out Independence if they get the vote and win. They can't keep on just shooting from the heart.


We will have to build a wall. And we have to make it a big beautiful wall to keep all those Celts north of the border and stop their illegal haggis from flooding into our coutry. And Scotland will pay for the wall!

Just like we had 2,000 years ago!
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Mon May 10, 2021 8:48 pm

Why would the EU want Scotland?

They have enough trouble as it is.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Mon May 10, 2021 8:55 pm

Phil71 wrote:Why would the EU want Scotland?

They have enough trouble as it is.


They'd never get in anyway. Spain and Cyprus will block them because it would send out the wrong message.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Mon May 10, 2021 10:38 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:
Phil71 wrote:Why would the EU want Scotland?

They have enough trouble as it is.


They'd never get in anyway. Spain and Cyprus will block them because it would send out the wrong message.


The days are gone where the EU will take any old waifs & strays just for the sake of the project. These days they want countries that have something to offer. Tartan kilts and Dundee cake don't cut it.
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Re: British Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Mon May 10, 2021 11:20 pm

Phil71 wrote:Why would the EU want Scotland?

They have enough trouble as it is.


Spain have repeatedly said they will veto Scotland - if they don't Catalonia will be out of Spain in a flash. The SNP know this they just don't talk about it.
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Mon May 10, 2021 11:23 pm

There wouldn't be anything better than them leaving the UK then apply for the EU just to be told "No thanks".

Where the fk would that leave Scotland??

Its a shame there are some alright people in Scotland who don't want to leave but either sort your house out or risk obscurity forever.
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