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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:15 pm

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Va-Va-Voom wrote:Texas hasn't voted blue since 1976, can't see it happening.


There's never been an incumbent Trump before to put Texas in play 8 years before it was supposed to be.

Not saying Texas is definitely going to vote Biden, but it's going to shock a lot of people this year, whether it flips or Trump only manages to win by 1-2 percentage points.

Trump only won Texas by 9 points despite polls indicating his margin of victory would be far greater, and Biden is undoubtedly less hated there than Clinton is. Ted Cruz also only beat Beto by 2.5 points in the Senate election in 2018.

Still, I think Biden would have to be leading by 12+ points nationally to swing Texas. If he manages that he might be looking at a 350-400 EC haul, which seems incredibly optimistic.


Oh, it's undoubtedly optimistic. But just as the race could tighten to Biden +3 (in which case, Trump has a shot), it has an equal chance to go the other way and end up a Biden +14 landslide.

I'm expecting a 2012ish Obama performance from Biden (switch Arizona and North Carolina to blue and Ohio and Iowa to red, but otherwise, largely the same map), but I also wouldn't be surprised if we got a pre-1992-style 400+ EV landslide.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Callum » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:18 pm

LMAO wrote:
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Va-Va-Voom wrote:Texas hasn't voted blue since 1976, can't see it happening.


There's never been an incumbent Trump before to put Texas in play 8 years before it was supposed to be.

Not saying Texas is definitely going to vote Biden, but it's going to shock a lot of people this year, whether it flips or Trump only manages to win by 1-2 percentage points.

Trump only won Texas by 9 points despite polls indicating his margin of victory would be far greater, and Biden is undoubtedly less hated there than Clinton is. Ted Cruz also only beat Beto by 2.5 points in the Senate election in 2018.

Still, I think Biden would have to be leading by 12+ points nationally to swing Texas. If he manages that he might be looking at a 350-400 EC haul, which seems incredibly optimistic.


Oh, it's undoubtedly optimistic. But just as the race could tighten to Biden +3 (in which case, Trump has a shot), it has an equal chance to go the other way and end up a Biden +14 landslide.

I'm expecting a 2012ish Obama performance from Biden (switch Arizona and North Carolina to blue and Ohio and Iowa to red, but otherwise, largely the same map), but I also wouldn't be surprised if we got a pre-1992-style 400+ EV landslide.

Yeah, still so much can happen, but with far fewer undecided voters this year I think we'll end up with something close to the +6/7 point advantage Biden has now in terms of popular vote share. The issue is if it closes to +3/4 then it suddenly becomes incredibly tight.
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Re: American Politics

Postby LMAO » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:58 am

Scientific American Endorses Joe Biden: We’ve never backed a presidential candidate in our 175-year history—until now

This won't convince the right people, but it's telling when a nonpolitical entity steps into the realm of politics.

The only major criticism I have with SA's endorsement is using the pandemic to knock Trump for backing the reopen protests when Biden supported the racial injustice protests a month later.
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Re: American Politics

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:11 am

LMAO wrote:Scientific American Endorses Joe Biden: We’ve never backed a presidential candidate in our 175-year history—until now

This won't convince the right people, but it's telling when a nonpolitical entity steps into the realm of politics.

The only major criticism I have with SA's endorsement is using the pandemic to knock Trump for backing the reopen protests when Biden supported the racial injustice protests a month later.


Non-political entity? Owned by Springer Nature who also published The Global Trump and who own several other titles that endorse Trump. Springer Nature Group is itself owned by Holtzbrinck Publishing Group a massive multi-billion conglomerate who probably couldn't give two fecks about Mr Trump as long as he sells advertising space.

Massive multi-billion global media empires will have publications that endorse every candidate in every election, they are playing with politics in most countries in the world ... they're simply to big to lose.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Phil71 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:43 am

Grayson Perry says that left-wing people have a “tribal culture” that encourages feeling guilty and are less “friendly” than their right-wing counterparts.

The Turner Prize-winning artist, who has cross-dressed throughout his career, is the presenter of Channel 4 series Grayson Perry’s Big American Road Trip, which explores the cultural divide in Trump’s America.

Travelling across the country filming, Perry met both left and right-wing campaigners and explained the difference between the two in an interview with the Radio Times.

“The left is more venal and has more antipathy to the opposition than the other way round,” Perry said. “I would say the right on average are friendlier and more open.”

The 60-year-old said that many middle class people on the left are taught to feel guilty about their privilege, adding: “It’s all part of the tribal culture to be guilty – we do guilty in the same way that the Japanese do shame.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 45350.html
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:56 pm

Phil71 wrote:Grayson Perry says that left-wing people have a “tribal culture” that encourages feeling guilty and are less “friendly” than their right-wing counterparts.

The Turner Prize-winning artist, who has cross-dressed throughout his career, is the presenter of Channel 4 series Grayson Perry’s Big American Road Trip, which explores the cultural divide in Trump’s America.

Travelling across the country filming, Perry met both left and right-wing campaigners and explained the difference between the two in an interview with the Radio Times.

“The left is more venal and has more antipathy to the opposition than the other way round,” Perry said. “I would say the right on average are friendlier and more open.”

The 60-year-old said that many middle class people on the left are taught to feel guilty about their privilege, adding: “It’s all part of the tribal culture to be guilty – we do guilty in the same way that the Japanese do shame.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 45350.html


Several journalists have ventured out of their bubble to "investigate" why people vote for Trump and who these people are. Their reporting shows much the same. Middle America is a happy place, a tolerant place and we get very tired of being accused of being the opposite. Lots of projection by the left. We even see it here with CA and WA immigrants to Montana. They are always the ones writing very heated and accusatory letters to the editor, have obscene bumper stickers on their cars, running for office to change MT into CA etc. When Trump came here two years back for a rally they protested the attendees as racists and worse. Smart bright ranchers and other locals who did not take the bait. Same when Pence was here Monday.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:45 pm

Last night during the ABC Trump Town Hall some woman claimed that black women are not "taken seriously" in the healthcare system.

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Re: American Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:12 pm

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:Last night during the ABC Trump Town Hall some woman claimed that black women are not "taken seriously" in the healthcare system.

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I'm literally so over it now.

Any talk of race and I'm tuning out, its a redundant subject and has been gradually since the 1960's.

I know why people bring it up, its not much different to why FB and Youtube algrythm you to get a reaction, get your attention, I'm not playing anymore, its boring and there's more to life.

Its gotten real old, real quick and most times there's not even any truth to it.
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Re: American Politics

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:15 pm

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:Last night during the ABC Trump Town Hall some woman claimed that black women are not "taken seriously" in the healthcare system.

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'Oppression' seems to be more a case of not getting preferential treatment these days. Equal oportunity is simply not the goal of the race baiters. They want to be fast tracked in society because of the colour of their skin.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: American Politics

Postby Phil71 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:43 pm

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:
Phil71 wrote:Grayson Perry says that left-wing people have a “tribal culture” that encourages feeling guilty and are less “friendly” than their right-wing counterparts.

The Turner Prize-winning artist, who has cross-dressed throughout his career, is the presenter of Channel 4 series Grayson Perry’s Big American Road Trip, which explores the cultural divide in Trump’s America.

Travelling across the country filming, Perry met both left and right-wing campaigners and explained the difference between the two in an interview with the Radio Times.

“The left is more venal and has more antipathy to the opposition than the other way round,” Perry said. “I would say the right on average are friendlier and more open.”

The 60-year-old said that many middle class people on the left are taught to feel guilty about their privilege, adding: “It’s all part of the tribal culture to be guilty – we do guilty in the same way that the Japanese do shame.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 45350.html


Several journalists have ventured out of their bubble to "investigate" why people vote for Trump and who these people are. Their reporting shows much the same. Middle America is a happy place, a tolerant place and we get very tired of being accused of being the opposite. Lots of projection by the left. We even see it here with CA and WA immigrants to Montana. They are always the ones writing very heated and accusatory letters to the editor, have obscene bumper stickers on their cars, running for office to change MT into CA etc. When Trump came here two years back for a rally they protested the attendees as racists and worse. Smart bright ranchers and other locals who did not take the bait. Same when Pence was here Monday.


I wonder if they realise that their obnoxious, condescending behaviour makes people even more determined to vote for Trump or Brexit or whatever.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:45 pm

Phil71 wrote:
Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:
Phil71 wrote:Grayson Perry says that left-wing people have a “tribal culture” that encourages feeling guilty and are less “friendly” than their right-wing counterparts.

The Turner Prize-winning artist, who has cross-dressed throughout his career, is the presenter of Channel 4 series Grayson Perry’s Big American Road Trip, which explores the cultural divide in Trump’s America.

Travelling across the country filming, Perry met both left and right-wing campaigners and explained the difference between the two in an interview with the Radio Times.

“The left is more venal and has more antipathy to the opposition than the other way round,” Perry said. “I would say the right on average are friendlier and more open.”

The 60-year-old said that many middle class people on the left are taught to feel guilty about their privilege, adding: “It’s all part of the tribal culture to be guilty – we do guilty in the same way that the Japanese do shame.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 45350.html


Several journalists have ventured out of their bubble to "investigate" why people vote for Trump and who these people are. Their reporting shows much the same. Middle America is a happy place, a tolerant place and we get very tired of being accused of being the opposite. Lots of projection by the left. We even see it here with CA and WA immigrants to Montana. They are always the ones writing very heated and accusatory letters to the editor, have obscene bumper stickers on their cars, running for office to change MT into CA etc. When Trump came here two years back for a rally they protested the attendees as racists and worse. Smart bright ranchers and other locals who did not take the bait. Same when Pence was here Monday.


I wonder if they realise that their obnoxious, condescending behaviour makes people even more determined to vote for Trump or Brexit or whatever.


Apart from Johnathan Pie, I honestly don't think they do. They are blinded by their dogmatic beliefs and rage when things don't go their way
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:27 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:Last night during the ABC Trump Town Hall some woman claimed that black women are not "taken seriously" in the healthcare system.

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'Oppression' seems to be more a case of not getting preferential treatment these days. Equal oportunity is simply not the goal of the race baiters. They want to be fast tracked in society because of the colour of their skin.



She prefaced her comment by claiming she would die with 36 hours if she did not get her meds. Seems to me someone has taken her seriously regardless of her race and that of medical professionals. She tried to claim pre existing conditions would not be covered without Obamacare...yet they are by Presidential executive order. Pelosi has refused to do anything in the House with Trump so what is he supposed to do? Issue an order until Congress acts. These were supposedly undecided on the fence informed voters. Must be watching ABC news.

There was also a few questions on Covid relief and Shummer/Pelosi's refusal to negotiate. This morning several Dems decided to call on Pelosi to do something...after they ALL fell in line behind her. Wonder why...
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:55 pm

Minneapolis City Council voted in June to abolish the police department. Yesterday they held another meeting bemoaning the massive spike in crime.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... say-police

One member actually asked the police chief what could be done about car jackings and wondered why the police have a "no chase" policy. He forgot that was city policy.

Yup...Minnesota is turning red.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Phil71 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:57 pm

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:Minneapolis City Council voted in June to abolish the police department. Yesterday they held another meeting bemoaning the massive spike in crime.


One member actually asked the police chief what could be done about car jackings and wondered why the police have a "no chase" policy. He forgot that was city policy.

Yup...Minnesota is turning red.


Wait til someone invades their home. They can get a police officer around to try to arrange social services for the robbers.
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Re: American Politics

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:04 pm

Phil71 wrote:
Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:Minneapolis City Council voted in June to abolish the police department. Yesterday they held another meeting bemoaning the massive spike in crime.


One member actually asked the police chief what could be done about car jackings and wondered why the police have a "no chase" policy. He forgot that was city policy.

Yup...Minnesota is turning red.


Wait til someone invades their home. They can get a police officer around to try to arrange social services for the robbers.



The ironic thing was a days after voting to disband the police they all had taxpayer funded private security details.
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