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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:01 pm

Emeryates wrote:Anyway, don't really like the SNP, but they have probably the most competent MP's from any party, and many of them are lawyers and well versed in legal issues. Joanna Cherry has been saying this would happen for some time.


What makes you think they have the most competent MPs? Do you have any examples?

Many MPs from all of the Parties are lawyers of one sort or other.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Emeryates » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:11 pm

Phil71 wrote:
Emeryates wrote:Anyway, don't really like the SNP, but they have probably the most competent MP's from any party, and many of them are lawyers and well versed in legal issues. Joanna Cherry has been saying this would happen for some time.


What makes you think they have the most competent MPs? Do you have any examples?

Many MPs from all of the Parties are lawyers of one sort or other.

If you just look at the questions they ask, and the points of order they raise, it's usually about some technical issue. Corbyn and co just go with their usual AUSTERITY BAD, BREXIT UNEMPLOYMENT, etc, etc.

While Joanna Cherry, Blackford and that other female MP of the SNP go forensic with actual stats. Or about reports from some liaison committee. They've also been pretty good for Scotland, and are on course to win again in the next election, which is amazing considering the shitshow in Westminster, where none of the main two parties are on for anywhere near such a stream. Welsh Labour are, I guess, but that's more a case of a vote for anything with a red rosette on it
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:13 pm

So it seems Corbyn's plan is to win a GE and subsequently negotiate a deal with the EU that ties us much closer than May's deal would, then he'll put it to a public vote.

I guess the choices on the ballot paper would be:

Remain in the EU in all but name
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Remain in the EU
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Re: British Politics

Postby Sims » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:21 pm

The yellowhammer docs look encouraging

Can’t wait to get medicine for any potential illness six months after I’m diagnosed should be fun
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Re: British Politics

Postby Emeryates » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:32 pm

So PROJECT FEAR turns out to be understated, it's actually worse than most were thinking
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:49 pm

Sims wrote:The yellowhammer docs look encouraging

Can’t wait to get medicine for any potential illness six months after I’m diagnosed should be fun


It takes about six months to get a GP appointment anyway, so reserve the medicine when you ring up and you can pick it up straight after you see the doctor.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Emeryates » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:53 pm

Phil71 wrote:
Sims wrote:The yellowhammer docs look encouraging

Can’t wait to get medicine for any potential illness six months after I’m diagnosed should be fun


It takes about six months to get a GP appointment anyway, so reserve the medicine when you ring up and you can pick it up straight after you see the doctor.

Reserve medicine for a disease before seeing the doctor who'll diagnose you for said disease?

BREXIT shows that we can increase efficiency, if we just cut out the doctor and just reserve the medicine then :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:58 pm

This whole thing was a fiasco anyway, which is why I love what Boris is doing.

He's going full pelt to throw up the feathers in the hen house meaning we're currently in the situation that if left to parliament we'd of taken another 12 months to get to with their meandering.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Phil71 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:58 pm

Emeryates wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
Sims wrote:The yellowhammer docs look encouraging

Can’t wait to get medicine for any potential illness six months after I’m diagnosed should be fun


It takes about six months to get a GP appointment anyway, so reserve the medicine when you ring up and you can pick it up straight after you see the doctor.

Reserve medicine for a disease before seeing the doctor who'll diagnose you for said disease?

BREXIT shows that we can increase efficiency, if we just cut out the doctor and just reserve the medicine then :clap: :clap: :clap:


Yes!

See. It just needs everyone to use their initiative.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Emeryates » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:26 pm

I love Boris because instead of continuing the status-quo, he's going to make sure we're short medicines on 31st October
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Re: British Politics

Postby Emeryates » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:26 pm

Phil71 wrote:
Emeryates wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
Sims wrote:The yellowhammer docs look encouraging

Can’t wait to get medicine for any potential illness six months after I’m diagnosed should be fun


It takes about six months to get a GP appointment anyway, so reserve the medicine when you ring up and you can pick it up straight after you see the doctor.

Reserve medicine for a disease before seeing the doctor who'll diagnose you for said disease?

BREXIT shows that we can increase efficiency, if we just cut out the doctor and just reserve the medicine then :clap: :clap: :clap:


Yes!

See. It just needs everyone to use their initiative.

BELIEVE
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Re: British Politics

Postby Royal Gooner » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:30 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Phil71 wrote:High civil Court in Scotland rules that the current prorogation of Parliament is unlawful.

A panel of three judges at the Court of Session found in favour of a cross-party group of politicians who were challenging the prime minister's move.

In a summary of their findings, the Court of Session judges said they were unanimous in their belief that Mr Johnson was motivated by the "improper purpose of stymying Parliament".

They added: "The Court will accordingly make an Order declaring that the prime minister's advice to HM the Queen and the prorogation which followed thereon was unlawful and is thus null and of no effect."

A spokesman for Number 10 said it was "disappointed" by the decision, and would appeal to the Supreme Court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855


One question ..............

Can a Scottish Court over rule a Prime minister or an English Court?

What if the Con's go to an English Court and they decide it is lawful?

This is just stupid tbf, the Con's already looked into the legality and the Queen ascended it so how can it possibly be illegal ........... other than in some Scottish judges "opinion".

I'd be surprised if the Supreme Court doesn't just reverse it.


They probably will. Or even if they decide that the advice was unlawful, the simple fact is that it was The Queen who prorogued it, not Boris. And The Queen is above the law so it would simply be treated as if The Queen did it of her own accord (Which she has every right to do).

It's a pointless case really despite the remoaners' court-shopping.
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Re: British Politics

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:36 pm

Emeryates wrote:I love Boris because instead of continuing the status-quo, he's going to make sure we're short medicines on 31st October


You have such a sheep mentality "Ohhh Boris is going to fk up the country" no little man, in what universe do you ever think Parliament was ever going to allow it?

All Boris has done is exposed Parliament for the Remainer camp it truly is.

Was sick of them pretending just to save votes "Oh yes we respect the referendum".

Boris is just scattering the snakes from the nest and exposing them for what they are.

In summary ............ Brexit is not going to happen, not unless some deal comes up to fake it like what May had, which slaves us off to the EU.
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Re: British Politics

Postby Emeryates » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:36 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:
Phil71 wrote:High civil Court in Scotland rules that the current prorogation of Parliament is unlawful.

A panel of three judges at the Court of Session found in favour of a cross-party group of politicians who were challenging the prime minister's move.

In a summary of their findings, the Court of Session judges said they were unanimous in their belief that Mr Johnson was motivated by the "improper purpose of stymying Parliament".

They added: "The Court will accordingly make an Order declaring that the prime minister's advice to HM the Queen and the prorogation which followed thereon was unlawful and is thus null and of no effect."

A spokesman for Number 10 said it was "disappointed" by the decision, and would appeal to the Supreme Court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855


One question ..............

Can a Scottish Court over rule a Prime minister or an English Court?

What if the Con's go to an English Court and they decide it is lawful?

This is just stupid tbf, the Con's already looked into the legality and the Queen ascended it so how can it possibly be illegal ........... other than in some Scottish judges "opinion".

I'd be surprised if the Supreme Court doesn't just reverse it.


They probably will. Or even if they decide that the advice was unlawful, the simple fact is that it was The Queen who prorogued it, not Boris. And The Queen is above the law so it would simply be treated as if The Queen did it of her own accord (Which she has every right to do).

It's a pointless case really despite the remoaners' court-shopping.

I don't think anyone's blamed the Queen or said she went outside the law. The case is on if Boris misled her.

I also don't think the proroguing is illegal, based on what we know. But if he did mislead her, that might be another case altogether and whether the Queen being advised incorrectly makes her action not actionable.
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Re: British Politics

Postby UFGN » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:59 pm

Riots on the streets, food price rises and reduced medical supplies are real risks of the UK leaving the EU without a deal, a government document has said.

Ministers have published details of their Yellowhammer contingency plan, after MPs voted to force its release.

It outlines a series of "reasonable worst case assumptions" for the impact of a no-deal Brexit on 31 October.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the paper confirmed the PM "is prepared to punish those who can least afford it".

Michael Gove, one of Boris Johnson's senior cabinet colleagues who has been given responsibility for no-deal planning, said "revised assumptions" will be published "in due course alongside a document outlining the mitigations the government has put in place and intends to put in place".

However, ministers have blocked the release of communications between No 10 aides about Parliament's suspension


Now shut the f**k up about "project fear"

This is from the Government. And I see no planning to reduce the risk of these outcomes. Just bravado, bullshit and hot air.

When was the last time we had news of any likely outcomes that would be an improvement on what we already have?
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