British Politics

[Royal Gooner]

Macron has supposedly already said to French media that he will block it.

Prepare for Independence Day on the 29th of March

[Reverend Gooner]

https://news.sky.com/story/the-pms-cond ... l-11671146

Great article here, when you look at her record as home secretary and her record as PM she is one of the worst things ever to happen to UK politics.

[Zedie]

Plus we have just signed trade deals with Norway and Switzerland. This is a great opportunity for us. YEs short term it may be tough, but we have the Commonwealth and US to re-establish independent ties with.

Be careful what you wish for.

Prepare for chlorine dipped chicken! Tasty!

You don't have to buy it. Plain and simple. Supermarkets won't dare stock them because the British public have said they don't want it. It'll be a very simple: If the chicken is from the US, then don't buy it.

What happens when your choice gets taken away to buy or not to buy?

Horse meat has been found in our produce and you dont think some chicken could be mislabeled and sold to you?

How do you tell where s chicken is from by staring at it?

Also, Brexit will give the government the power to change labeling laws as they see fit. People will grumble and then move on to the next drama and itll be accepted just like GM foods have been.

I really hope you're prepared for the levels of fuckery that Brexit is about to bring you.

[Zedie]

:rofll:

This is too funny.

If anyone was ever unclear about the fact that Remanier May's Brexit deal wasn't going to have us over a barrel and tied to the EU forever then let this statement clarify that for you.

"Tusk says EU will only give UK short article 50 extension if MPs pass Brexit deal"

In other words the EU will use the Backstop to demand what they want from us come actual negotiation time, nick our fishing waters, nick Gibraltar and god know's what else.

This sh*t is hilarious.

The fact that they seem to want this deal more than even us Remaining goes to show where all the leverage is.

Huurrrr let's trigger article 50 without having a scooby of what we are doing.

Huurrrrr let's waste a chunk of the 2 years holding a GE

Huuuurrrr let's put together a deal that both sides f***ing hate.

Huuuuuurrrrr let's submit that deal 3 times with f**k all changes and see if the outcome is different.

Shit that didnt work.

Huuurrrr let's ask for a 3 month extension so I can submit the deal a 4th 5th and 6th time.

The EU isnt the bad guy here, its your beloved conservatives that have manufactured this entire situation. The EU just want us to provide a unified decision either way and we cannot do it.

Stop reverting back to blaming the EU for any of this and take some responsibility for the side you've been pulling for all along.

You may think May is an idiot, which she undoubtedly is, but it's not just been her driving us to this cliff edge, it's your party propped up by f***ing UKIP

[Reverend Gooner]

Exactly, a US trade deal will allow their lobbyists to flood this country and give them the clout to do their thing and then true democracy is over. If we don't buy their produce then the labelling laws will change or they will manipulate the process so that they can claim the meat was from the UK when it wasn't. They will find a way. I love America/Americans but hate the American version of capitalism/big business and big business politics, we need to stay the f*** away from that no matter what.

Theresa May has destroyed herself her tonight, the whole country is slating her on social media, MPs, political journalists and citizens. What on earth is she doing?

[Zedie]

Exactly, a US trade deal will allow their lobbyists to flood this country and give them the clout to do their thing and then true democracy is over. If we don't buy their produce then the labelling laws will change or they will manipulate the process so that they can claim the meat was from the UK when it wasn't. They will find a way. I love America/Americans but hate the American version of capitalism/big business and big business politics, we need to stay the f*** away from that no matter what.

Theresa May has destroyed herself her tonight, the whole country is slating her on social media, MPs, political journalists and citizens. What on earth is she doing?

Little increments, year by year, white paper by white paper.

America wasn't always like the legal and political monstrosity it is now, its evolved over years as corporations have dug their claws deeper into the fabric of the American legal system.

They'll know we are weak and drill us into the ground where they can. Well have put ourselves in a shite position trying to 'escape' the worlds largest trading block to ie westfield's, to go and hawk our wares on the street corner on a milk crate (WTO rules only).

Brexiteers really think nothing is going to change forever other than streets paved with gold when all the world powers like US (with an honest fair and above board trump in charge), Russia (who have been repeatedly violating us without as much as a whimper from the right), China (manufacturing mecca, they dont really need anything from us that we dont import ourselves ffs) etc.

They really think that the party and people that got us into this on self admitted lies upon lies wont then continue lying once they have shed themselves of any need to follow any standards?

I really wish I could live in that sort of fantasy realm and not be concerned by this absolute cluster f**k.

[Zedie]

Exactly, a US trade deal will allow their lobbyists to flood this country and give them the clout to do their thing and then true democracy is over. If we don't buy their produce then the labelling laws will change or they will manipulate the process so that they can claim the meat was from the UK when it wasn't. They will find a way. I love America/Americans but hate the American version of capitalism/big business and big business politics, we need to stay the f*** away from that no matter what.

Theresa May has destroyed herself her tonight, the whole country is slating her on social media, MPs, political journalists and citizens. What on earth is she doing?

Trying to get herself sacked so that she isnt the one to actually take us into a no deal and have her family name written into the history books as the person that sold the country to trump, broke up the old union and tanked the 5th biggest economy irreparably.

[LMAO]

Exactly, a US trade deal will allow their lobbyists to flood this country and give them the clout to do their thing and then true democracy is over. If we don't buy their produce then the labelling laws will change or they will manipulate the process so that they can claim the meat was from the UK when it wasn't. They will find a way. I love America/Americans but hate the American version of capitalism/big business and big business politics, we need to stay the f*** away from that no matter what.

Theresa May has destroyed herself her tonight, the whole country is slating her on social media, MPs, political journalists and citizens. What on earth is she doing?

Trying to get herself sacked so that she isnt the one to actually take us into a no deal and have her family name written into the history books as the person that sold the country to trump, broke up the old union and tanked the 5th biggest economy irreparably.

I've seen this brought up numerous times in this thread (that the UK doesn't have to worry because it's the 5th largest economy, though I realize you didn't mention it in your post, Zedie). Other than national pride, is there a difference between the UK being the 5th/6th (seems like you and France swap places all the time) largest economy and being, I don't know, the 8th largest economy? I'm not talking about the UK economy declining, but rather countries like India, France, and Brazil surpassing it by growing faster.

With the gulf between the largest two/three—the US, China, and depending on if you want to include it, the EU—and everyone else being massive*, does it matter what place you're in if you have a relatively strong economy compared to everyone else?

This is a genuine inquiry, not me trying to be an instigator or a smartass.

*If we go by the IMF on nominal GDP in 2018 (all countries with > $1 trillion):
1. USA - $20.513 trillion
— EU - $18.769 trillion
2. China - $13.457 trillion
3. Japan - $5.070 trillion
4. Germany - $4.029 trillion
5. UK - $2.809 trillion
6. France - $2.795 trillion
7. India - $2.690 trillion
8. Italy - $2.087 trillion
9. Brazil - $1.909 trillion
10. Canada - $1.734 trillion
11. South Korea - $1.656 trillion
12. Russia - $1.576 trillion
13. Spain - $1.437 trillion
14. Australia - $1.428 trillion
15. Mexico - $1.199 trillion
16. Indonesia - $1.005 trillion
(But damn, the Anglosphere is doing well.)

[Power n Glory]

Exactly, a US trade deal will allow their lobbyists to flood this country and give them the clout to do their thing and then true democracy is over. If we don't buy their produce then the labelling laws will change or they will manipulate the process so that they can claim the meat was from the UK when it wasn't. They will find a way. I love America/Americans but hate the American version of capitalism/big business and big business politics, we need to stay the f*** away from that no matter what.

Theresa May has destroyed herself her tonight, the whole country is slating her on social media, MPs, political journalists and citizens. What on earth is she doing?

Their food standards are a mess and it's even worse for the pharmaceutical and medical industry. I can imagine us jumping into bed with their drug companies and then next thing you know GP's start diagnosing kids with that nonsense ADHD disorder and over prescribing Ritalin and Adderall to help shift the drugs. Lol

[Pudpop]

I'm a bit behind

Is no deal back on the table now?

[dc16]

Oh yeah. It’s on the table alright along with some chlorine dipped roast chicken.

As is May’s Deal for the 100th time

And rescind A50.

If none of those happen then we are out on the 29th. No deal.

[Phil71]

I'm a bit behind

Is no deal back on the table now?

• May has asked for a three month extension to the leave date
• The EU have said they’ll probably give it on condition that May’s deal gets approved by the HoC next week.
• In a weird effort to get MPs support, May addresses the nation, publicly blaming those MPs for the whole debacle, whilst painting herself as the saviour of British democracy.
• So, that Meaningful Vote will take place next week, after which more about what happens next will be known. Of course, before that happens, the Speaker will have to approve it, having judged that the proposal has changed significantly enough for his liking. Christ only knows how that can happen, seeing as the EU have said nothing can be changed.

[EliteKiller]

• May has asked for a three month extension to the leave date
• The EU have said they’ll probably give it on condition that May’s deal gets approved by the HoC next week.
• In a weird effort to get MPs support, May addresses the nation, publicly blaming those MPs for the whole debacle, whilst painting herself as the saviour of British democracy.
• So, that Meaningful Vote will take place next week, after which more about what happens next will be known. Of course, before that happens, the Speaker will have to approve it, having judged that the proposal has changed significantly enough for his liking. Christ only knows how that can happen, seeing as the EU have said nothing can be changed.

Well I guess the fact that a three month extension is now added is some king of 'significant' change ... but with Bercow who knows.

May has been utterly useless but she does have a point, 650 elected MP's can't make a decision despite getting paid 150k each over the last two years to make just such decisions ... we the public should demand they give back their pay checks, they very clearly aren't doing the job.

[dc16]

Oh yeah. It’s on the table alright along with some chlorine dipped roast chicken.

As is May’s Deal for the 100th time

And rescind A50.

If none of those happen then we are out on the 29th. No deal.

[Phil71]

• May has asked for a three month extension to the leave date
• The EU have said they’ll probably give it on condition that May’s deal gets approved by the HoC next week.
• In a weird effort to get MPs support, May addresses the nation, publicly blaming those MPs for the whole debacle, whilst painting herself as the saviour of British democracy.
• So, that Meaningful Vote will take place next week, after which more about what happens next will be known. Of course, before that happens, the Speaker will have to approve it, having judged that the proposal has changed significantly enough for his liking. Christ only knows how that can happen, seeing as the EU have said nothing can be changed.

Well I guess the fact that a three month extension is now added is some king of 'significant' change ... but with Bercow who knows.

May has been utterly useless but she does have a point, 650 elected MP's can't make a decision despite getting paid 150k each over the last two years to make just such decisions ... we the public should demand they give back their pay checks, they very clearly aren't doing the job.

It's as difficult one.

Yes, it could be argued that they are duty bound to complete brexit as was determined by the electorate in the referendum, but they represent everyone in their constituencies. There's no doubt at all that the sort of brexit wanted by those people will vary from one end of the scale to the other.

The way I see it, it's primarily been held up Party politics. Corbyn has whipped his MPs into voting against the government because he wants a general election, and the Lib Dems & SNP have voted against the government because they don't want any sort of brexit and are pushing for a 2nd referendum. Add to that the fact that the Conservatives are split and filled with Europhiles and Euro sceptics.

My view is that an enormous amount has been unveiled in 1000 days since the referendum, and it should go back to the people for confirmation with another referendum before we finally leave - if we are to.