Inchpractice wrote:We've already had this debate in another thread but for those of you who didn't read it I'll go over the details again because the same questions/points keep coming again and again.
Almost all of them have been raised in this one post by Bearcum:ThereIsBearCum wrote:Frimpong clearly didn't use it in a manner that was derogatory towards Jews.
Argument 1. The old 'he clearly wasn't being offensive' line. There is no way in which you can use a racist term without it being racist. It really is as simple as that.
If you don't believe me, approach a Muslim in the street and try and call him a terrorist without offending him. "Oh man, you're my favourite terrorist, you're like the best terrorist EVER."
Love to see how you get on with that one.
We can argue all night about whether the actual individual Frimpong was talking to was offended but that's not really the point here. Whether he was or wasn't, Arsenal players should know better.Loads of people find loads of different words offensive, you can't please everyone (there are genuinely people who find the word "hello" offensive because it has "hell" in it). If there is no hatred intended in the use of a word that isn't even derogatory to the people being referring to, then there's no problem.
Argument 2. That other chestnut that people LOVE to spout. "Ahhhh people are so over-sensitive, why don't people just man the f**k up, it's just a word ffs!"
Yes there are people out there that are ridiculously over-sensitive but would you say that an Asian person was being over-sensitive if they were offended by you calling them a <Removed>? No, you wouldn't.
*** to a Jewish person is just as offensive as Removed is to an Asian so why are Jews being over-sensitive if they're offended?
That makes no sense.Many Spurs fans (both Jewish and non-Jewish) refer to their club's supporters as yids, so why isn't it ok for everyone else to?
It isn't ok for anyone to use the word *** at any time. Who is saying it's ok for Spurs fans to do it?
Argument 3. The old "It's been going on for years so why should we stop now." argument.
Yes that makes loads of sense.
There were 400 years of slavery and if people had said the same thing it would still be going on now.
People have been battered senseless in school for being gay for years and years. Oh, it must be a tradition then, and traditions should always be kept alive shouldn't they?
The argument that something has been happening for a long time so therefore it should continue is just about the weakest one yet. Phone hacking has been going on for years, shall we leave that alone as well?
I admit that people should've made a fuss about this years ago so that it wouldn't have become so widespread but you know why they didn't? Probably because everyone kept telling them to man up and stop f***ing whining.And don't say it's like black people using "nigger". 100% of black people that have called themselves nigger are black, are all Spurs fans who call themselves yids Jewish?
It's exactly like the word nigger except SOME black people (mostly American) have decided to turn the word around and 'neutralise' it by using it to each other.
That doesn't mean they won't be offended if you approach them in the street as a stranger and call them a nigger.
The word *** hasn't been given the same treatment. As far as I know Jews don't go around calling each other yids as a term of endearment.
Therefore it's just as offensive as the word nigger is to a black person, if not more.
Yet for some reason because the football fans of one shitty club sing about it, it makes it all alright.
We're all passionate about football but there is a world outside of it don't forget.
As someone has already pointed out in this thread, if someone had called Frimpong a nigger on Twitter it would be a big story and no-on here would be surprised if Frimmy was offended by that.
It would also have offended the black members of this forum just as the word *** offends the Jewish members.
It's really very very simple, nigger = *** = p*ki = poof = etc. = etc. They're all equally offensive.
I apologise to the people who've already seen this but here's that video again:
P.s. I'm not specifically having a go at you Bearcum, I just used your post because you raised the same old arguments that get raised all the time in other threads.
Get where you're coming from, but seriously
*** in football references has absolutely no relation to any of those examples. Calling a tottenham fan, a club known as the yids, "a ***" is in absolutely no way similar to walking up to a random muslim and calling him a terrorist
quite frankly if people got off their high horse and stopped letting words bother them then we would never have any of these issues which seem to pop up every few months. But this post is dragging into an issue I really don't want to touch, I just had to affirm that the scum are the yids and always will be, anyone who takes offence to these terms used within a footballing rivalry is a very sad and pathetic little man and is a direct cause and reason as to why we have to suffer this unbearably OTT political correct madness.
I've never understood getting offended by someones comments. A comment is just an individuals opinion, an individuals opinion means nothing in the broad sense, if the individuals comment is offensive to you then you'll likely think they're a prick, so why would you even be bothered by the opinions of a prick? Why waste your time letting it bother you?
just my take on it. I'm sick of constantly reading new things that you can or can't say or things you can or can't do based around some idiots oversensitivities. If you don't like something someone says then don't interact with them, for me that's the obvious and simple option...censorship is not.
