by mg86 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:35 pm
by Myrmedus » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:36 pm
by gzagee » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:38 pm
Myrmedus wrote:niko197 wrote:simsuk wrote:This match just shows that we need a proven goalscorer up front. Wenger needs to blow the cash on a high calibre player such as Villa or Dzeko. I don't want to rely on Walcott, who should be sold for a packet of crisps.
you haven't watch the game mate, if you had you would know that the midfield was disgrace today, we hardly even came in position to score.
we have to be honest, without song and fabregas, with disappointing ramsey, denilson and nasri we can't beat anyone. everton was better team and we're lucky with the one point.
Of course but this is the point. All teams have areas of their team which play badly on occasion, it's why you need to have strength all over the field to compensate.
When your attack isn't playing well you need a good defence.
When your defence is having an off day you need a good attack.
If your midfield isn't playing well you need a good attack and defence to 'steal' a game for you.
In the rarest of occasions you have more than one component of the team playing badly and these are the games you usually lose, but you shouldn't lose games (apart from against rivals) on the basis of one component playing badly. If you do then you lack personnel. We need a striker to give us an extra dimension to compensate for the odd games where our midfielders don't play like kings.
Just take a look across at Chelsea. There have been so many games where their midfield played badly, sometimes their defence aswell, but because Drogba (and even Anelka) are so good they dragged the team through the dirt and stole the game. If we had that kind of offensive power (which we do when RvP is around to be fair) we would've won this game today even if we did play b adly.
by Myrmedus » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:40 pm
by gzagee » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:45 pm
Myrmedus wrote:If you consider it a favourable result, which is where your arguments comes into semantics.
Also, I'm not talking purely after our loss to them. Long before we played them they had bad games where they pulled off victories...heck they weren't exactly on fire when they actually played us.
by niko197 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:45 pm
Myrmedus wrote:niko197 wrote:simsuk wrote:This match just shows that we need a proven goalscorer up front. Wenger needs to blow the cash on a high calibre player such as Villa or Dzeko. I don't want to rely on Walcott, who should be sold for a packet of crisps.
you haven't watch the game mate, if you had you would know that the midfield was disgrace today, we hardly even came in position to score.
we have to be honest, without song and fabregas, with disappointing ramsey, denilson and nasri we can't beat anyone. everton was better team and we're lucky with the one point.
Of course but this is the point. All teams have areas of their team which play badly on occasion, it's why you need to have strength all over the field to compensate.
When your attack isn't playing well you need a good defence.
When your defence is having an off day you need a good attack.
If your midfield isn't playing well you need a good attack and defence to 'steal' a game for you.
In the rarest of occasions you have more than one component of the team playing badly and these are the games you usually lose, but you shouldn't lose games (apart from against rivals) on the basis of one component playing badly. If you do then you lack personnel. We need a striker to give us an extra dimension to compensate for the odd games where our midfielders don't play like kings.
Just take a look across at Chelsea. There have been so many games where their midfield played badly, sometimes their defence aswell, but because Drogba (and even Anelka) are so good they dragged the team through the dirt and stole the game. If we had that kind of offensive power (which we do when RvP is around to be fair) we would've won this game today even if we did play b adly.
by gzagee » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:47 pm
Myrmedus wrote:If you consider it a favourable result, which is where your argument comes into semantics. I don't view a home draw vs. Everton as a favourable result, and I certainly don't when pulling it back to 1-1 for the 2nd half, heh.
Also, I'm not talking purely after our loss to them. Long before we played them they had bad games where they pulled off victories...heck they weren't exactly on fire when they actually played us. Their midfield was completely overrun but they fell back on the strength of their defence and attack to win.
I also don't want to judge purely by Chelsea and Man Utd's standards - we want to beat them to the title, not equal them, so we should shoot for better not equality. We're a better football team than both, which is the hardest ingredient to improve, so all we need is to 'plug-in' a couple of extra strings to the bow from individual player capabilities. Chelsea and Man Utd have been dragged along by individuals, not by team performances, so if Arsenal had as many of those individual capabilities in addition to our performance as a team we'd crush them; and I'm not even talking about individuals like Fabregas who can turn a game on its head by himself, those kinds of players aren't someone you can just go and rent from a video story. I'm purely talking about players who have particular strengths to their game that would add to our team.
Myrmedus wrote:Just take a look across at Chelsea. There have been so many games where their midfield played badly, sometimes their defence aswell, but because Drogba (and even Anelka) are so good they dragged the team through the dirt and stole the game
by Myrmedus » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:49 pm
by Myrmedus » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:50 pm
gzagee wrote:Myrmedus wrote:If you consider it a favourable result, which is where your argument comes into semantics. I don't view a home draw vs. Everton as a favourable result, and I certainly don't when pulling it back to 1-1 for the 2nd half, heh.
Also, I'm not talking purely after our loss to them. Long before we played them they had bad games where they pulled off victories...heck they weren't exactly on fire when they actually played us. Their midfield was completely overrun but they fell back on the strength of their defence and attack to win.
I also don't want to judge purely by Chelsea and Man Utd's standards - we want to beat them to the title, not equal them, so we should shoot for better not equality. We're a better football team than both, which is the hardest ingredient to improve, so all we need is to 'plug-in' a couple of extra strings to the bow from individual player capabilities. Chelsea and Man Utd have been dragged along by individuals, not by team performances, so if Arsenal had as many of those individual capabilities in addition to our performance as a team we'd crush them; and I'm not even talking about individuals like Fabregas who can turn a game on its head by himself, those kinds of players aren't someone you can just go and rent from a video story. I'm purely talking about players who have particular strengths to their game that would add to our team.
Then why use Pensioners as a way of making a point?Myrmedus wrote:Just take a look across at Chelsea. There have been so many games where their midfield played badly, sometimes their defence aswell, but because Drogba (and even Anelka) are so good they dragged the team through the dirt and stole the game
by niko197 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:52 pm
gzagee wrote:Myrmedus wrote:If you consider it a favourable result, which is where your arguments comes into semantics.
Also, I'm not talking purely after our loss to them. Long before we played them they had bad games where they pulled off victories...heck they weren't exactly on fire when they actually played us.
I do consider it a favourable result seeing as we would've lost a game like that playing the ways we did last season.
That point might be crucial come the final standings.
Yes, they were pulling great reults out the fire earlier in the season. That result away to Wigan is one that comes to mind...
And they were on a run of 7 wins in 8 when they played us.
by gzagee » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:52 pm
by Myrmedus » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:53 pm
niko197 wrote:Myrmedus wrote:niko197 wrote:simsuk wrote:This match just shows that we need a proven goalscorer up front. Wenger needs to blow the cash on a high calibre player such as Villa or Dzeko. I don't want to rely on Walcott, who should be sold for a packet of crisps.
you haven't watch the game mate, if you had you would know that the midfield was disgrace today, we hardly even came in position to score.
we have to be honest, without song and fabregas, with disappointing ramsey, denilson and nasri we can't beat anyone. everton was better team and we're lucky with the one point.
Of course but this is the point. All teams have areas of their team which play badly on occasion, it's why you need to have strength all over the field to compensate.
When your attack isn't playing well you need a good defence.
When your defence is having an off day you need a good attack.
If your midfield isn't playing well you need a good attack and defence to 'steal' a game for you.
In the rarest of occasions you have more than one component of the team playing badly and these are the games you usually lose, but you shouldn't lose games (apart from against rivals) on the basis of one component playing badly. If you do then you lack personnel. We need a striker to give us an extra dimension to compensate for the odd games where our midfielders don't play like kings.
Just take a look across at Chelsea. There have been so many games where their midfield played badly, sometimes their defence aswell, but because Drogba (and even Anelka) are so good they dragged the team through the dirt and stole the game. If we had that kind of offensive power (which we do when RvP is around to be fair) we would've won this game today even if we did play b adly.
sorry mate, but today we didn't have "one component of the team playing badly", almunia, whole defence, whole midfield except diaby were disgrace!! eddie and arshavin had to make chances for them, first goal was created by arshavin and eduardo, if you haven't seen they were all over the pitch, how many times i saw eduardo on our corner line watching traore's back (and btw, traore is awfull full back), so i would say that arsh and eddie were the best on the pitch today.
by Rockin' Robin » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:53 pm
by Myrmedus » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:55 pm
gzagee wrote:Play poorly yet still win 4-0? Sign of a decent team wouldn't you think?
by gzagee » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:56 pm
The Midfield General wrote:Was the score 2-2 for Chelsea at home to Everton too? That's when they had a full-strength team, we didn't have Song, Cesc, van Persie, Bendtner, Walcott or Clichy.