by Sims » Sat Jul 03, 2010 7:41 pm
by mg86 » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:01 pm
by NotABlindFollower » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:30 pm
Jay22 wrote:I agree probably 99% of the players would have done the same thing. But i don't think it justifies his actions. He cheated to stop Ghana from winning. Whether it's the hand of god, Henry's hand goal or this act, they all are cheating, simple as.
by NotABlindFollower » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:32 pm
SE13 wrote:For everyone in Uruguay, he'll be a hero. To most others, he'll be branded a cheat.
Let's face it, most players would have done the same, it's either out in the last minute, or take one for the team and a chance of staying in. He gambled and it paid off.
As to whether the goal should have been given, well, the ball didn't cross the line. By fair means or foul, it stayed out of the onion bag. Quite whether I'd be saying that if it had happened to Arsenal in the last minute of the Champions League Final remains to be seen.
by NotABlindFollower » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:36 pm
Reverend Gooner wrote:He is definately a cheat, I don't think anyone can disputed that but there is so much cheating in this sport now the word cheat has lost alot of it's potency.
by NotABlindFollower » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:40 pm
Reverend Gooner wrote:SE13 wrote:Gunner Down Under wrote:SE13 wrote:You could look at it another way. One on one with the keeper, he's rounded the keeper, and you are right behind him. Let him score, or pull him down?
Pull him down I guess.
But using your hands imo is worse
No it's not, it's exactly the same thing, you've committed a foul, prevented a goal, and got yourself a red card. Different scenario, same outcome.
It is the difference in the scenario that matters. In your scenario the player is sent off for a professional foul (fouling being part of the game) whereas the scenario here is a player getting sent off for "unsporting conduct" (which is why FIFA have grounds to extend the ban which they wouldn't have in your scenario). That is the difference, a professional foul is against the rules but unsporting conduct is against the rules ands cheating, at least imo. It really depends how you define cheating.
by Fabrestuta » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:41 pm
NotABlindFollower wrote:Reverend Gooner wrote:He is definately a cheat, I don't think anyone can disputed that but there is so much cheating in this sport now the word cheat has lost alot of it's potency.
Ok how is he a cheat? He committed a foul, broke the rules and got punished.
You will see because it is a blatant and deliberate foul.
Well how is it any differnt to what pique did today? He pulled a paraguay player down to the ground to stop him from heading a corner.
How is it any different to what van bommel was doing the entire 90 minutes yesterday? Deliberate and cynical fouls all over the pitch. Is that cheating too?
Lets not go down this road because if we do then you will fail to find me one football player that is not a cheat.
by NotABlindFollower » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:46 pm
Jay22 wrote:NotABlindFollower wrote:Jay22 wrote:I agree probably 99% of the players would have done the same thing. But i don't think it justifies his actions. He cheated to stop Ghana from winning. Whether it's the hand of god, Henry's hand goal or this act, they all are cheating, simple as.
Why should he give a shit about Ghana?
He only cares about his team. Any player that wears the Arsenal Shirt I would only expect him to care about Arsenal. If an England player had done that I would be proud of him.
I think the criticism Suarez is getting is ridiculous. Who wouldnt have done the same? And if you didnt do the same then I would question your loyalty to the shirt you wear.
I would have done the same thing If I was in that position and if it had helped my team go through I would have been proud of myself.
I never said he should care about Ghana, did i?
I am not saying other players won't do it, 99.9% of them will do the same thing but that doesn't justify his actions. If an Arsenal player did that, i would be terribly disappointed with him.
by NotABlindFollower » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:47 pm
Fabrestuta wrote:NotABlindFollower wrote:Reverend Gooner wrote:He is definately a cheat, I don't think anyone can disputed that but there is so much cheating in this sport now the word cheat has lost alot of it's potency.
Ok how is he a cheat? He committed a foul, broke the rules and got punished.
You will see because it is a blatant and deliberate foul.
Well how is it any differnt to what pique did today? He pulled a paraguay player down to the ground to stop him from heading a corner.
How is it any different to what van bommel was doing the entire 90 minutes yesterday? Deliberate and cynical fouls all over the pitch. Is that cheating too?
Lets not go down this road because if we do then you will fail to find me one football player that is not a cheat.
Forgive me if I am wrong but didn't Rev just say there is a lot of cheating in the game? Do you just browse threads for opportunities to troll?
by Fabrestuta » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:49 pm
NotABlindFollower wrote:Fabrestuta wrote:NotABlindFollower wrote:Reverend Gooner wrote:He is definately a cheat, I don't think anyone can disputed that but there is so much cheating in this sport now the word cheat has lost alot of it's potency.
Ok how is he a cheat? He committed a foul, broke the rules and got punished.
You will see because it is a blatant and deliberate foul.
Well how is it any differnt to what pique did today? He pulled a paraguay player down to the ground to stop him from heading a corner.
How is it any different to what van bommel was doing the entire 90 minutes yesterday? Deliberate and cynical fouls all over the pitch. Is that cheating too?
Lets not go down this road because if we do then you will fail to find me one football player that is not a cheat.
Forgive me if I am wrong but didn't Rev just say there is a lot of cheating in the game? Do you just browse threads for opportunities to troll?
If he did then he is wrong. Read my thread. I do not agree with him that this is cheating.
by gzagee » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:50 pm
starmandb wrote:footballer.i would have expected an arsenal player to do the same thing rather than let the ball sail into the net and take the punishment afterwards.
he was sent off a penalty was awarded and as much as i feel sorry for ghana its all part of the game he got a penalty and missed it. suarez feining an injury earlier to try to get a player sent off was a far more distasteful occurence and outside acceptable rules of behaviour
GunnGunn wrote:Exactly Starman.
If i played for Arsenal i would do the same thing, England, same thing.
Call me a cheating prick if you like but if that what it takes, then that is what it takes, simple.
by NotABlindFollower » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:52 pm
Fabrestuta wrote:NotABlindFollower wrote:Fabrestuta wrote:NotABlindFollower wrote:Reverend Gooner wrote:He is definately a cheat, I don't think anyone can disputed that but there is so much cheating in this sport now the word cheat has lost alot of it's potency.
Ok how is he a cheat? He committed a foul, broke the rules and got punished.
You will see because it is a blatant and deliberate foul.
Well how is it any differnt to what pique did today? He pulled a paraguay player down to the ground to stop him from heading a corner.
How is it any different to what van bommel was doing the entire 90 minutes yesterday? Deliberate and cynical fouls all over the pitch. Is that cheating too?
Lets not go down this road because if we do then you will fail to find me one football player that is not a cheat.
Forgive me if I am wrong but didn't Rev just say there is a lot of cheating in the game? Do you just browse threads for opportunities to troll?
If he did then he is wrong. Read my thread. I do not agree with him that this is cheating.
IF he did? read his post.
by Goose » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:53 pm
NotABlindFollower wrote:Jay22 wrote:NotABlindFollower wrote:Jay22 wrote:I agree probably 99% of the players would have done the same thing. But i don't think it justifies his actions. He cheated to stop Ghana from winning. Whether it's the hand of god, Henry's hand goal or this act, they all are cheating, simple as.
Why should he give a shit about Ghana?
He only cares about his team. Any player that wears the Arsenal Shirt I would only expect him to care about Arsenal. If an England player had done that I would be proud of him.
I think the criticism Suarez is getting is ridiculous. Who wouldnt have done the same? And if you didnt do the same then I would question your loyalty to the shirt you wear.
I would have done the same thing If I was in that position and if it had helped my team go through I would have been proud of myself.
I never said he should care about Ghana, did i?
I am not saying other players won't do it, 99.9% of them will do the same thing but that doesn't justify his actions. If an Arsenal player did that, i would be terribly disappointed with him.
You said you think it doesnt justify his actions because he cheated to stop Ghana from winning. As if you expected him to care about Ghana.
If an Arsenal player took a personal setback to save his team I would be proud of him. Infact I believe this is one of the things we lack right now.
by NotABlindFollower » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:54 pm
Jay22 wrote:NotABlindFollower wrote:Jay22 wrote:NotABlindFollower wrote:Jay22 wrote:I agree probably 99% of the players would have done the same thing. But i don't think it justifies his actions. He cheated to stop Ghana from winning. Whether it's the hand of god, Henry's hand goal or this act, they all are cheating, simple as.
Why should he give a shit about Ghana?
He only cares about his team. Any player that wears the Arsenal Shirt I would only expect him to care about Arsenal. If an England player had done that I would be proud of him.
I think the criticism Suarez is getting is ridiculous. Who wouldnt have done the same? And if you didnt do the same then I would question your loyalty to the shirt you wear.
I would have done the same thing If I was in that position and if it had helped my team go through I would have been proud of myself.
I never said he should care about Ghana, did i?
I am not saying other players won't do it, 99.9% of them will do the same thing but that doesn't justify his actions. If an Arsenal player did that, i would be terribly disappointed with him.
You said you think it doesnt justify his actions because he cheated to stop Ghana from winning. As if you expected him to care about Ghana.
If an Arsenal player took a personal setback to save his team I would be proud of him. Infact I believe this is one of the things we lack right now.
There is a difference between personal setback or blatant cheating. And no, i would never be proud if any Arsenal player cheats to win a game.
by Fabrestuta » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:56 pm
NotABlindFollower wrote:Fabrestuta wrote:NotABlindFollower wrote:Fabrestuta wrote:NotABlindFollower wrote:Reverend Gooner wrote:He is definately a cheat, I don't think anyone can disputed that but there is so much cheating in this sport now the word cheat has lost alot of it's potency.
Ok how is he a cheat? He committed a foul, broke the rules and got punished.
You will see because it is a blatant and deliberate foul.
Well how is it any differnt to what pique did today? He pulled a paraguay player down to the ground to stop him from heading a corner.
How is it any different to what van bommel was doing the entire 90 minutes yesterday? Deliberate and cynical fouls all over the pitch. Is that cheating too?
Lets not go down this road because if we do then you will fail to find me one football player that is not a cheat.
Forgive me if I am wrong but didn't Rev just say there is a lot of cheating in the game? Do you just browse threads for opportunities to troll?
If he did then he is wrong. Read my thread. I do not agree with him that this is cheating.
IF he did? read his post.
Did he not say Suarez is cheating?
I disagreed with that point he made. What is your point? Why are you arguing over nothing.