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StLGooner wrote:

Phil71 wrote:More white people are killed by law enforcement in America every year than black people.

Yes it's disproportionate, but so is the number of crimes committed by black males. That in fact is far more disproportionate than the deaths by law enforcement. Yes there may be reasons for that but until they are resolved those responsible for enforcing the law have to deal with what they have at hand.

But I will add that I think too many police officers in America are far too heavy handed in the way they go about their job. With everyone. White and black.

Very disproportionate, because if you break down the math and compare it to how many white people there are here, to how many black people there are, and then show the percentages, black people are still getting killed more percentage wise, based off of population.


The black community does have an issue with crime in our inner cities here, and I'm not justifying it, but when you're born into horrible conditions through years of oppression and systematic racism, then what do you expect to happen. If the roles were reversed and it was white people born into these situations I'm sure we would have a problem with white crime as well.

You already do have a problem with white crime. Plenty of white people ending up in a life of crime through the shit circumstances of their lives.

Yes more black people are getting killed per head of population. As I said in an earlier post, 13% of Americans are black, and 23% of those killed by law enforcement are black, whilst 62% of Americans are white and 37% of those killed by law enforcement are white.

But around 38% of the male prison population is black, whilst 34% of it is white. So the percentage of black people committing crimes is hugely disproportionate.

Phil71 wrote:More white people are killed by law enforcement in America every year than black people.

Yes it's disproportionate, but so is the number of crimes committed by black males. That in fact is far more disproportionate than the deaths by law enforcement. Yes there may be reasons for that but until they are resolved those responsible for enforcing the law have to deal with what they have at hand.

But I will add that I think too many police officers in America are far too heavy handed in the way they go about their job. With everyone. White and black.

Phil I don't agree with that at all, being a person of colour you are more likely to be prosecuted for a crime than you would be if you are white. Do the whole thing is skewed against black people - who don't tend to get let off or the warnings that white people get.

And we all know black people stand little to no chance of getting off when things go to trial, white juries and all that, like I said, the numbers are skewed because racism is so deep rooted in the country. Not helped by the fact US prisons are a money making machine.

We all know police target the poor and vulnerable, they are easy targets

Phil71 wrote:

StLGooner wrote:

Phil71 wrote:More white people are killed by law enforcement in America every year than black people.

Yes it's disproportionate, but so is the number of crimes committed by black males. That in fact is far more disproportionate than the deaths by law enforcement. Yes there may be reasons for that but until they are resolved those responsible for enforcing the law have to deal with what they have at hand.

But I will add that I think too many police officers in America are far too heavy handed in the way they go about their job. With everyone. White and black.

Very disproportionate, because if you break down the math and compare it to how many white people there are here, to how many black people there are, and then show the percentages, black people are still getting killed more percentage wise, based off of population.


The black community does have an issue with crime in our inner cities here, and I'm not justifying it, but when you're born into horrible conditions through years of oppression and systematic racism, then what do you expect to happen. If the roles were reversed and it was white people born into these situations I'm sure we would have a problem with white crime as well.

You already do have a problem with white crime. Plenty of white people ending up in a life of crime through the shit circumstances of their lives.

Yes more black people are getting killed per head of population. As I said in an earlier post, 13% of Americans are black, and 23% of those killed by law enforcement are black, whilst 62% of Americans are white and 37% of those killed by law enforcement are white.

But around 38% of the male prison population is black, whilst 34% of it is white. So the percentage of black people committing crimes is hugely disproportionate.

Seems like a whole different topic if you want to talk about white people and crime. We don't get racially profiled or killed for our skin color.

Did u not see that video of the woman with the dog call the police fake crying about how threatening an African American guy was when all he was doing was recording her as she had her dog off the leash which was prohibited in the area

The reason she started wailing and said he was black was because she knew that by saying that there was a high chance he would get assaulted by the police or even worse killed

When a white person gets pulled over by the police in the US they worry about a ticket or a fine

When a black person gets pulled over they have to worry about potentially being killed

The country is absolutely f***ked

But we’re not innocent either

I got pulled over by the cops when I was 17, and had two black friends in the car with me. I asked the cop why he pulled me over and he literally said "because I saw your friends afro". No bullshit. true story. I told him that he can't pull people over for that, and his response was "I can do anything I want son".

That is the mentality of some of the police force here.

StLGooner wrote:

Phil71 wrote:

StLGooner wrote:

Phil71 wrote:More white people are killed by law enforcement in America every year than black people.

Yes it's disproportionate, but so is the number of crimes committed by black males. That in fact is far more disproportionate than the deaths by law enforcement. Yes there may be reasons for that but until they are resolved those responsible for enforcing the law have to deal with what they have at hand.

But I will add that I think too many police officers in America are far too heavy handed in the way they go about their job. With everyone. White and black.

Very disproportionate, because if you break down the math and compare it to how many white people there are here, to how many black people there are, and then show the percentages, black people are still getting killed more percentage wise, based off of population.


The black community does have an issue with crime in our inner cities here, and I'm not justifying it, but when you're born into horrible conditions through years of oppression and systematic racism, then what do you expect to happen. If the roles were reversed and it was white people born into these situations I'm sure we would have a problem with white crime as well.

You already do have a problem with white crime. Plenty of white people ending up in a life of crime through the shit circumstances of their lives.

Yes more black people are getting killed per head of population. As I said in an earlier post, 13% of Americans are black, and 23% of those killed by law enforcement are black, whilst 62% of Americans are white and 37% of those killed by law enforcement are white.

But around 38% of the male prison population is black, whilst 34% of it is white. So the percentage of black people committing crimes is hugely disproportionate.

Seems like a whole different topic if you want to talk about white people and crime. We don't get racially profiled or killed for our skin color.

No, I guess you're right on that score.

I don't live in America so I'm not really qualified to comment too much regarding whether police officers are generally racist. This latest death was in Minnesota wasn't it? Would you expect to find a prevalence of racism among cops there?

Not only do American police have far hgher racist in it, but they seem to be in general far less trained than in Europe. Thank god I dont live there

Phil71 wrote:

StLGooner wrote:

Phil71 wrote:

StLGooner wrote:

Phil71 wrote:More white people are killed by law enforcement in America every year than black people.

Yes it's disproportionate, but so is the number of crimes committed by black males. That in fact is far more disproportionate than the deaths by law enforcement. Yes there may be reasons for that but until they are resolved those responsible for enforcing the law have to deal with what they have at hand.

But I will add that I think too many police officers in America are far too heavy handed in the way they go about their job. With everyone. White and black.

Very disproportionate, because if you break down the math and compare it to how many white people there are here, to how many black people there are, and then show the percentages, black people are still getting killed more percentage wise, based off of population.


The black community does have an issue with crime in our inner cities here, and I'm not justifying it, but when you're born into horrible conditions through years of oppression and systematic racism, then what do you expect to happen. If the roles were reversed and it was white people born into these situations I'm sure we would have a problem with white crime as well.

You already do have a problem with white crime. Plenty of white people ending up in a life of crime through the shit circumstances of their lives.

Yes more black people are getting killed per head of population. As I said in an earlier post, 13% of Americans are black, and 23% of those killed by law enforcement are black, whilst 62% of Americans are white and 37% of those killed by law enforcement are white.

But around 38% of the male prison population is black, whilst 34% of it is white. So the percentage of black people committing crimes is hugely disproportionate.

Seems like a whole different topic if you want to talk about white people and crime. We don't get racially profiled or killed for our skin color.

No, I guess you're right on that score.

I don't live in America so I'm not really qualified to comment too much regarding whether police officers are generally racist. This latest death was in Minnesota wasn't it? Would you expect to find a prevalence of racism among cops there?

I live in Missouri, so can't speak for Minnesota, but I would imagine some areas are worse than others. Los Angeles was notorious for having many instances of police brutality and corruption. I believe New York as well. But I wouldn't think that Minnesota would have a lot of racist cops, but who knows really.

I will say this though. Many times when there are altercations between a white cop and black person, no matter the outcome if the cop did something even remotely wrong, it gets lumped into being a race issue. Well white cops do wrong things all the time, but also with white suspects. So I think many of these issues get lumped into being a racially issue when sometimes it's just a cop being a bad person.

StLGooner wrote:

Phil71 wrote:

StLGooner wrote:

Phil71 wrote:

StLGooner wrote:

Phil71 wrote:More white people are killed by law enforcement in America every year than black people.

Yes it's disproportionate, but so is the number of crimes committed by black males. That in fact is far more disproportionate than the deaths by law enforcement. Yes there may be reasons for that but until they are resolved those responsible for enforcing the law have to deal with what they have at hand.

But I will add that I think too many police officers in America are far too heavy handed in the way they go about their job. With everyone. White and black.

Very disproportionate, because if you break down the math and compare it to how many white people there are here, to how many black people there are, and then show the percentages, black people are still getting killed more percentage wise, based off of population.


The black community does have an issue with crime in our inner cities here, and I'm not justifying it, but when you're born into horrible conditions through years of oppression and systematic racism, then what do you expect to happen. If the roles were reversed and it was white people born into these situations I'm sure we would have a problem with white crime as well.

You already do have a problem with white crime. Plenty of white people ending up in a life of crime through the shit circumstances of their lives.

Yes more black people are getting killed per head of population. As I said in an earlier post, 13% of Americans are black, and 23% of those killed by law enforcement are black, whilst 62% of Americans are white and 37% of those killed by law enforcement are white.

But around 38% of the male prison population is black, whilst 34% of it is white. So the percentage of black people committing crimes is hugely disproportionate.

Seems like a whole different topic if you want to talk about white people and crime. We don't get racially profiled or killed for our skin color.

No, I guess you're right on that score.

I don't live in America so I'm not really qualified to comment too much regarding whether police officers are generally racist. This latest death was in Minnesota wasn't it? Would you expect to find a prevalence of racism among cops there?

I live in Missouri, so can't speak for Minnesota, but I would imagine some areas are worse than others. Los Angeles was notorious for having many instances of police brutality and corruption. I believe New York as well. But I wouldn't think that Minnesota would have a lot of racist cops, but who knows really.

I will say this though. Many times when there are altercations between a white cop and black person, no matter the outcome if the cop did something even remotely wrong, it gets lumped into being a race issue. Well white cops do wrong things all the time, but also with white suspects. So I think many of these issues get lumped into being a racially issue when sometimes it's just a cop being a bad person.

Well yeah. I've been watching fly on the wall American cop shows since the 80s, and white people definitely get the rough end of the stick just as much as black people. And you see on those shows that some cops love it when things get rough.

I won't criticise the police too much though. When we're all running away from dangerous situations, they're running toward them.

Cops do it have it tough. Especially for the goods ones, because all the bad/racist ones give the good ones a bad name. I wouldn't want to be a cop. You have to deal with the worst type of people everyday, so it's no wonder they get a little edgy and ignorant, when almost everyone they deal with has some sort of attitude or issue. I would imagine that you have to put up some kind of guard mentally everyday. So yes, it's a tough job, and they put their lives at risk everyday, especially here in the US with many people owning their own guns. As a cop you have to understand that you can get shot any minute, so accidents do happen when having to be on guard 24/7. However, with certain situations that are highly avoidable, they have to get better at that, and find someway to weed out all the racist ones in their ranks.

I say fair play to the police in the UK, especially the Met Police in London. I think they are mostly good with a sprinkling of bad, I have mostly had a fair case with them, even when I have been bang to rights and I could've had the book thrown at me, I got off with warnings.

I have had 2 bad experiences, one being assaulted in a police van by a group of policemen near Highbury, on the night we won the CWC. f***ers falsified their testimony too, I got acquitted. The other incident they accused me of doing something I didn't do and they had no real proof of it but stood in court and said it was so. I got acquitted of that one too.

Phil71 wrote:More white people are killed by law enforcement in America every year than black people.

Yes it's disproportionate, but so is the number of crimes committed by black males. That in fact is far more disproportionate than the deaths by law enforcement. Yes there may be reasons for that but until they are resolved those responsible for enforcing the law have to deal with what they have at hand.

But I will add that I think too many police officers in America are far too heavy handed in the way they go about their job. With everyone. White and black.

This is the WHOLE issue ..........

The black / white thing is the BS trap this subject creates every time, its a side circus to the real issue and question.

The real issue isn't "Why is a white cop killing a black unarmed man" the real question is "How is it that in America a policeman can get away with outright murder of a civilian just because he has on a uniform?".

The issue that presented itself isn't about race, its about the lack of protection and the lack of consequences faced by a policeman of a crime of murder, that fact effects all citizens because if it happened to George Floyd it could happen to anyone, yes black people may feel that they are more at risk but that is down to the bias of the policeman ......... which is irrelevant.

The real issue is that bias aside ............ where is the civil rights protection for the American citizen?

That policeman didn't "Detain" someone, he executed a man in cold blood who he had already detained, the fking prick didn't even look down to see if the crowd was right ....... for 8mins, even when the guy was completely limp he STILL had his knee on his neck, on camera to boot.

The only way American police will change their behaviour is if they are charged for murder and the only way that will happen is if the Governor and the Commisioner of the Department for Public Safety who own the Police Dept make it happen......... and the Commisioner won't do it unless the Governor tells them to.

Making this a black / white thing everytime is dumb, you can't eradicate bias, what you can do is enforce laws to protect citizens from this type of abuse of authority.
.......... that's what white people do, when they have something happen they don't like they don't say "Racisim" .......... they get the laws changed!

Case in point ...............

Approach 1: "Stop being racist blah blah" ............ Police "Yeah whatever"

Approach 2: "If you kill a civilian who is not posing a threat to you, you will be charged for murder, uniform or no uniform" ............. Police "............okay (gulp)".

Aproach 1 has been tried a million times, when are people going to learn that the only thing that can protect you are laws and how they're enforced? rich people have been using it for centuries.

PS - When being detained the arresting officers by law have a duty of care to the person in detainment ............ how the fk do these cops not get prosecuted is the real issue to tackle here.

Two police forces in every country period !.

Yup, these guys should be arrested immediately and sit in a cell and treated like the criminals that they are.

For me and I dare so most people like me we will always have the view that they are tough guys with a badge and a gun but if we ever got at one of them - one on one - their pussy ass would get buss up.

NWA got it perfectly right with the lyrics to f**k da Police. "Punk motherf***er with a badge and a gun".